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Topic # 8797 29-Jul-2006 21:47

My view.

No ISP is going to change the present pricing of adsl. sorry that should read Telco instead of ISP. why would you if you can get enough cust paying the nice high price that telcos are currently charging. if this were not the case then telstra cable connections would be half the price with no data limits. But instead they are priced at the same (if not more) than ADSL connections of the same speed - 4Mb (3.5Mb).

Telstra do not offer the good old cut to 64k if over the limit, they would rather charge you more money. this would be fine if you had a choice - i want to go over my limit and pay vs cut me down once i go over so i know what the bill will be each month.

just my thoughts on the present price structure.

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Reply # 42821 29-Jul-2006 22:36

New Zealand needs to scrap data caps and throttling at no extra cost

'nuff said

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Reply # 42823 29-Jul-2006 22:50

JAMMAN2110: New Zealand needs to scrap data caps and throttling at no extra cost

'nuff said

Personally, internet aside for a moment here, I believe in 'user pays'. I think you will find that at this point on time the majority of New Zealand internet users are on dial up, which as we all know is at the best of times rather slow. Now those customers are unlikely to be using large bandwidths, and if they did (for the better) make the move to ADSL or other broadband alterative, while their usage may increase its unlikely they would need a no cap plan. Personally I'm not a real big downloader, and only use about 2GB / month, mainly surfing and msn. My point being that data caps are in the whole are fine for most people. I do how ever believe for a number of people a no cap plan would be good for them, but at a cost. Data cost money, and well as I said at the beginning of this post, user pays. "'nuff said"??

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Reply # 42824 29-Jul-2006 23:05

Ok so some people don't mind if we have datacaps, I accept that. But honestly I find it (this is my personal opinion and may not match with yours, not my problem either) utterly ridiculous to put data limits on what is supposed to be the information superhighway.

If (my opinion again, yes) we want to move into VoIP instead of phones, IPTV... etc then caps and throttling is going to kill us all. If you have a heart condition and anger management issues it may literally kill you :P

In my opinion:
Data caps are bad
Throttling is bad

And no one can deny that removing both those things would do great things for the country.

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Reply # 42825 29-Jul-2006 23:24

In my opinion:
Data caps are bad
Throttling is bad

You cant have one with out the other (well you can but you know what I mean in the case of New Zealand). I do how ever agree their is a place for bigger data caps, perhaps at existing price points.

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Reply # 42826 29-Jul-2006 23:34

nzbnw:

In my opinion:
Data caps are bad
Throttling is bad

You cant have one with out the other (well you can but you know what I mean in the case of New Zealand). I do how ever agree their is a place for bigger data caps, perhaps at existing price points.

now all we need is 2 million or so people to sign something syaing they want that to and present it to someone who can make it happen....

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Reply # 42828 29-Jul-2006 23:39

I think the point here is that people don't think NZ broadband is good value. OK, there's still some time left before we'll think of an IP connection as an utility just like a phone line, but... only 20,000 customers on TCL/Saturn cable? People do want IP connectivity - if not, there wouldn't be 8-900,000 dialup users here, but cost of migrating to broadband still outweighs the benefits it seems.

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Reply # 42829 29-Jul-2006 23:47

juha: I think the point here is that people don't think NZ broadband is good value.

My good man, New Zealand broadband is definitely NOT good value

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Reply # 42830 29-Jul-2006 23:55

JAMMAN2110:
juha: I think the point here is that people don't think NZ broadband is good value.

My good man, New Zealand broadband is definitely NOT good value

juha's comment is true, dialup unlimited plans start from only $9.95/month, mayb dialup is just under priced, and this could be having an effect on Broadband uptake??

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Reply # 42831 30-Jul-2006 00:00

Or perhaps Dialup connections give better value for money than ADSL connections (when compared to the dial-up replacement plans)?

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Reply # 42832 30-Jul-2006 00:04

cokemaster: Or perhaps Dialup connections give better value for money than ADSL connections (when compared to the dial-up replacement plans)?

Yes, I agree, they do represent better value for money for low users who dont care about speeds thats broadband can offer, in relation to ADSL price points.

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Reply # 42833 30-Jul-2006 00:33

On dialup flatrate I could download a lot more than a lot of the entry level ADSL plans (say the 200mb) quite easily. Sure the phoneline is out but I'd still be ahead a bit.

For many of us, a landline is simply a means to get internet rather than calling.

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Reply # 42843 30-Jul-2006 09:25

cokemaster: On dialup flatrate I could download a lot more than a lot of the entry level ADSL plans (say the 200mb) quite easily. Sure the phoneline is out but I'd still be ahead a bit.

For many of us, a landline is simply a means to get internet rather than calling.

Yes... and people aren't stupid. They add the cost of the landline (and whatever penalties^Wloyalty discounts that apply) to their overall Internet bill.

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Reply # 42849 30-Jul-2006 11:24

cokemaster: Or perhaps Dialup connections give better value for money than ADSL connections (when compared to the dial-up replacement plans)?

This is exactly the reason why I have not change to broadband. I am currently on unlimited dial up, while it is nice to have broadband from price point it is not worth it. My idea of a good plan is one with 10Gb data cap for less than $40.

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Reply # 42854 30-Jul-2006 12:43

As Juha said "people aren't stupid. They add the cost of the landline" Which is about $40.00 so your $40.00 for 10 Gig becomes $80.00 ish. That's what I get with Woosh, including VOIP and I do believe we will see WiMax rolling out sooner rather than later.
I wonder what it is that Bob Smith is looking toward doing now he has retired from Woosh? founding CEO for Xtra and then CEO for Walker Wireless (Woosh) he has a track record for innovative moves in the industry.

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Reply # 42869 30-Jul-2006 17:58

juha: I think the point here is that people don't think NZ broadband is good value. OK, there's still some time left before we'll think of an IP connection as an utility just like a phone line, but... only 20,000 customers on TCL/Saturn cable? People do want IP connectivity - if not, there wouldn't be 8-900,000 dialup users here, but cost of migrating to broadband still outweighs the benefits it seems.

That's an interesting statistic. Most people would agree, that TCL cable internet service is much better than DSL in any form at the moment. Yet TCL advertises very little on TV while Xtra takes up prime time with those silly ads about the Xtraordinaires or whatever. Is is only the tech savvy who sign up for TCL cable?

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