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DonGould

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#91956 24-Oct-2011 20:50
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Some very annoying Aussie[1] keep holding this up as the best VDSL deal in town.  It this the case?

http://www.snap.net.nz/support/content/3/47/en/what-is-vdsl.html

Is there a SlingShot AYCE deal?  Is there another provider with a different choice that is sharper on price (don't care about quality or provider support, just the dirt cheap bottom dollar on this question).

Also Snap make comment about wiring and installation fees:  "**Normally you won't need to have anything wired unless you are getting a new line installed. However if any wiring is required, the above prices apply."

Can anyone tell me what this means?  If I can pick up the line at the demarc myself and it's already got a dsl service on it, what's the go?

Also, can people confirm what the deal is with the POTS on the line?  IIRC there isn't any?  It's always 'naked' from all providers?

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  #537020 24-Oct-2011 20:57
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If you don't care about quality why do you need VDSL??

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  #537021 24-Oct-2011 21:05
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johnr: If you don't care about quality why do you need VDSL??


I was talking in terms of customer service claims and CIR on torrents and that sort of stuff.

I know I can get a vdsl service for quite a bit of gold that will give me a fairly large slice of national data etc, but it's not the bottom end. 

I'm interested to know what's at the bottom rung.






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Very few ISP's are offering VDSL2 yet, Telecom Retail aren't even offering it themselves. 

It takes time and money to prepare to sell new services, mainstream demand for VDSL2 just isn't there, consider it costs $50+ more than ADSL2+ and most people want to pay less not more for their phone and internet.

Like anything there will be a bleeding edge, early adopters, mainstream adoption and late adopters.

It's basically Snap then a few other business/professional ISP's (eg: Unleash, Xtreme networks, etc) who are offering offering VDSL2 currently.

It's fairly impressive that Snap are offering it this early, I think you can consider that as positive proof of their tech savvy and desire to make a name as a innovative provider.

Kind of similar to Xnet with voip and BrightSpark (Telecom's older Fibre trials) a few years ago. Interesting that Xnet haven't invested in offering VDSL2.

It's a tricky period with the UFB going to be progressively rolling out, it is an investment of time and money for an ISP to offer a new service like VDSL2 so Xnet might just go straight from ADSL2+ to UFB/Fibre skipping VDSL2 entirely. 

The bottom end for VDSL2 is the Telecom Wholesale WVS price + WVS tail extension price (or other form of backhaul) + the per-user share of ISP costs (co-location, handover, domestic and international transit, staff, equipment, premises, profit margin etc).

The rest of your questions are really questions for Snap to answer that related to the specific operation of their service/offering.

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  #537092 25-Oct-2011 01:02
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Forgot to say the ISP's can get WVS (Wholesale VDSL2 service) from Telecom Wholesale with or without POTS, just the same as EUBA for ADSL2+.

For Snap it looks like they are just offering their current plans +$50 for VDSL, eg:

Snap Naked 50GB which would normally be $95, so it's $145 for VDSL2.
Snap Broadband and Calling 50GB would normally be $115, so it's $165 for VDSL2

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  #537101 25-Oct-2011 02:59
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Ragnor: 

For Snap it looks like they are just offering their current plans +$50 for VDSL, eg:

Snap Naked 50GB which would normally be $95, so it's $145 for VDSL2.
Snap Broadband and Calling 50GB would normally be $115, so it's $165 for VDSL2


Yep that's exactly what they are doing. Also SNAP allow  you to still add on $2 for unmetered You Tube and Google services, as well as a $5 unmetered downloads for 3 nights plan. But I'm not sure who would use it that often, as you could easily pull down 200-300GB over 3 nights on VDSL. What uses that much constantly...?





 

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  #537203 25-Oct-2011 10:24
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Should try Unleash.   http://www.unleash.co.nz/


Quality & performance is good.
You would have to ring & get a quote.

Also worth investigating if you can have 17a profile.




Not sure about any low grade VDSL.





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  #537234 25-Oct-2011 11:20
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NZCrusader: Should try Unleash.   http://www.unleash.co.nz/


Quality & performance is good.
You would have to ring & get a quote.

Also worth investigating if you can have 17a profile.




Not sure about any low grade VDSL.



http://www.unleash.co.nz/commercial-internet/xdsl - not on their web site yet by the looks.






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  #537271 25-Oct-2011 12:50
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You'll have to contact Unleash to get a price based on your requirements.

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  #538015 27-Oct-2011 06:30
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DonGould: 

Also Snap make comment about wiring and installation fees:  "**Normally you won't need to have anything wired unless you are getting a new line installed. However if any wiring is required, the above prices apply."



My understanding is that if you already had ADSL on a line and you switch that service to VDSL the installation fee doesn't apply. This is why we ordered ADSL on my home line first.


Also, can people confirm what the deal is with the POTS on the line?  IIRC there isn't any?  It's always 'naked' from all providers?



If you need POTS you will probably need to get a full install as I can't find a vdsl2 splitter anywhere although the phone/vdsl seemed to play nice using a standard DSL hard wired filter from CDL.

My Pots has now been migrated off to Snap's VoIP system though. so I am naked at home now

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  #538027 27-Oct-2011 08:02
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Unless you have a single jackpoint in your home from the leadin a full install including the installation of a master filter is still essential for VDSL2. Regardless of whether you have a phone or not, VDSL2 will get killed by additional jackpoints in the home so it's essential that a master filter be installed.

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  #538049 27-Oct-2011 10:01
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sbiddle: Unless you have a single jackpoint in your home from the leadin a full install including the installation of a master filter is still essential for VDSL2. Regardless of whether you have a phone or not, VDSL2 will get killed by additional jackpoints in the home so it's essential that a master filter be installed.


Indeed, I should add I disconnected ALL other phone wiring, found the incoming Gel filled cable and put the filter directly onto that. 

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  #542766 8-Nov-2011 19:16
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DonGould:
Also, can people confirm what the deal is with the POTS on the line?  IIRC there isn't any?  It's always 'naked' from all providers?


VDSL is available as naked or with POTS. The difference in price is the same as ADSL (Around $20 +/-)

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