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Topic # 9473 20-Sep-2006 15:13
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from http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3802606a13,00.html


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Xtra undercutting feared

20 September 2006
By TOM PULLAR-STRECKER

A row is brewing over Telecom's plan to announce low-priced "unconstrained" broadband plans next week.

Rivals say the plans could undercut the price they pay to Telecom for wholesale broadband connections, making them uncompetitive, and they may ask the courts to stop the Telecom launch.

The new Telecom plans will offer Xtra customers download speeds of up to 7.6 megabits per second.

The plans, which will be available from late next month, are likely to benefit city-dwelling Xtra broadband customers.

Internet service providers that wholesale Telecom broadband connections, however, fear they will not be able to compete. An industry source said ISPs were meeting to discuss tactics and would consider a legal challenge.


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Technology partner Alcatel warned in July that improvements would be enjoyed only by customers close to telephone exchanges, with up to 160,000 in outlying areas potentially experiencing a drop in average connection speeds.


Interesting news indeed, i doubt the internet speeds will go up that much in practicality, i barely ever get 3.5 megabits anyhow. I wonder if upload will be unconstrained at all.

Fair call to the other ISP's for taking telecom to task about this.

[Moderator edit (MF): removed part of quote. Please read full article on stuff. Fair Use in action]


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  Reply # 46547 20-Sep-2006 15:53
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The problem is that it's the other ISP's who demanded those faster speeds. They moaned Telecom were restricting them so complaind so loudly that Telecom had to offer them.

If you under how ADSL works you'll realise the problem that Telecom's geriatric copper network is simply not capable of delivering those sorts of speeds to large numbers of customers and the poor S/N will simply result in all users suffering a reduced speed.

What I'm most excited about is what TCL will offer. My understanding is that from a marketing perspective they won't let their cable network be surpassed by higher speed ADSL plans so fingers crossed all cable customer could be looking forward to another free speed increase soon.


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  Reply # 46549 20-Sep-2006 16:09
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Also if you read the NZ Herald article (trusting the Herald is another issue), but they say:


NZHERALD: All plans offer full speed downstream and either full speed or 128kbps upstream. Volume caps range from 200 MB to unlimited.


I guess we will all know next week, and if its true, its something many geeks here have been waiting for.

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  Reply # 46551 20-Sep-2006 16:50
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nzbnw: Also if you read the NZ Herald article (trusting the Herald is another issue), but they say:


NZHERALD: All plans offer full speed downstream and either full speed or 128kbps upstream. Volume caps range from 200 MB to unlimited.


I guess we will all know next week, and if its true, its something many geeks here have been waiting for.

nzbnw


Full upstream and unlimited download, yeah right!! [sorry Tui]  That'd be great, but I don't think I have any limbs left to sell to pay for it.  A case of i'll believe it when i see it.

If the other ISP's ever get their hands on this, I wonder if it'll mean a 'free' upgrade for those of us on high cap, high speed residential plans (3584/512 60GB).   I think the backbone is close to their capacity already in lots of parts using 3.5 megabit.

Shame TCL isn't available outside [parts] of the big cities yet

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  Reply # 46552 20-Sep-2006 17:33
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If the other ISP's ever get their hands on this


They already know what Xtra's new plans are, well according to Stuff.

"ISPs that resell Telecom connections were given notice of Xtra's prices under an embargo due to be lifted with the public announcement of Xtra's pricing on Tuesday."







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  Reply # 46554 20-Sep-2006 17:53
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Allstarnz: you shouldn't quote a story like that in its entirety. Not kosher.




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  Reply # 46556 20-Sep-2006 18:15
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Wonder when the data caps with be improved!!

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  Reply # 46564 20-Sep-2006 20:00
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it might convince you to chnage MF

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Nope. I saw the ads on the Sunday papers. And I know that DSL is not all that - speed decreases with distance from Exchange, and TNZ has not invest that much in cabinets. So I will stick with my 10Mbps TCL connection for now.

It will have to be very price competitive and provide similar performance to make me change.





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I do believe this was already covered off here yes?
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?ForumId=49&TopicId=9203

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  Reply # 46574 20-Sep-2006 22:16
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Yeah I know, And how much more acurate we(Mostly you MF) are compared to them. Geekzone is just so much better

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  Reply # 46575 21-Sep-2006 08:10
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freitasm: Nope. I saw the ads on the Sunday papers. And I know that DSL is not all that - speed decreases with distance from Exchange, and TNZ has not invest that much in cabinets. So I will stick with my 10Mbps TCL connection for now.

It will have to be very price competitive and provide similar performance to make me change.


Not to mention issues such as customers having only 30kbit/s and month allocated to them (up from 24kbit/s), Conklin mini-DSLAMs with only 2Mbit/s backhaul for outlying areas, and the congested ATM backhaul for the exchanges.






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  Reply # 46579 21-Sep-2006 13:01
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juha: Allstarnz: you shouldn't quote a story like that in its entirety. Not kosher.


fair call, is force of habit. I'll watch out for this next time.

I do believe this was already covered off here yes?
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?ForumId=49&TopicId=9203


Had a quick look, saw nothing, so posted it here.  Good spotting.

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