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Topic # 9946 25-Oct-2006 22:56
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Check this out:

http://www.orcon.net.nz/broadband/

I think anyone, especially heavy downloaders, will agree that this is the most ridiculous crap conceivable. The new plans are not only more expensive $50 to $60 now if i stayed on 256k down 128 up but the data cap 10 gigs less 40 down to 30. If someone wanted full speed internet with a decent cap there is no way the average person could afford to pay for it on orcon. Im totally blown away, im changing to xtra's full speed semi-unlimited plan tomorrow. I hope there are enough torrent geeks as orcon customers to really ream them in the rectum for this ****up.

Reflections please.

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Reply # 49710 25-Oct-2006 23:00
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Totally agree less data for your buck.

Going to stay on the same plan with Orcon

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256kbit/128kbit AutoSense Plan with 40 GB data allocation

$49.95 a month with tolls as I need the 40 GB.

Movie downloads overnight I can still live with that.





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  Reply # 49714 25-Oct-2006 23:18
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Im on the same plan atm but dont you think that on xtras plan you could get like 4 movies overnight or at least 2 dvds? It's crazy its like they want to lose customers, their zeroshock plan is just a 20gig cap concealed under a different title.

Latly ive found Orcon is somehow limiting my speed for bitcomet even under my randomly forwarded ports, im sure with these new plans they are trying to outlaw piracy or something. Its embedded in e-culture, it will never disappear.

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Reply # 49735 26-Oct-2006 08:40
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Why are you guys so quick to slag off Orcon's new pricing plans? Ihug and Slingshot are yet to detail their plan revisions.

I'll be damned if I move move back to Telecom for a max speed / "unlimited" plan -- to be subjected to how much data that can be download during certain hours of the day and have traffic management imposed. If I wanted that, I'd apply similar restrictions on my own router.

Stop moaning and go out and buy your DVDs from The Warehouse, or subscribe to services such as DVD Unlimited or Movieshack.

How quickly you forget about Xtra's network outages too...







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Reply # 49741 26-Oct-2006 09:22
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Goten475: The new plans are not only more expensive $50 to $60 now if i stayed on 256k down 128 up but the data cap 10 gigs less 40 down to 30. If someone wanted full speed internet with a decent cap there is no way the average person could afford to pay for it on orcon. Im totally blown away, im changing to xtra's full speed semi-unlimited plan tomorrow. I hope there are enough torrent geeks as orcon customers to really ream them in the rectum for this ****up.


Here is my idea: you either get 256Kbps or max speed where available. An increased allowance. And complain?

Look this way: isn't terrible that a Chrysler 300C costs $75,000? After all you can easily buy a Toyota Corolla for $20,000.

Folks, if you want a cheaper movie go buy a DVD as suggested. In you view, the average person is a leecher?







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  Reply # 49742 26-Oct-2006 09:40
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Nah im sick of my downloads taking 25 hours to finish, especially when orcon limit my bitcomet from 3pm to 12am.

I could buy a Rb32 skyline for $5000 that would smoke both those cars and drift its nuts off, as most teenagers i lack the money to do that. I wouldnt even think about spending my money on buying a dvd for $30 that im only gonna watch once. Sometimes i do hire out dvds, i almost never download movies unless its something that you can't hire. Most of the stuff i download is anime, 10 episodes come in 2.2gig chunks at high quality, ive downloaded 190 episodes 41.8 gigs down, plus prolly about 15 gig up. If i want to download a game i'll download it first to see what its like and then buy it simply because good games deserve it and i enjoy playing online. With that said alot of MMORPG's are free to download and around a gig.

No not all of us are leechers but certainly most teenagers are, most of that grouping is however the ignorant net denezins simple leeching mp3's for their ipods, and maybe abit of porno off kazza if they are of male gender. Maybe i am over reacting a little over something as menial as internet speed. The only real thing thats holding me onto orcon is the fact that they screwed up my account and only charge me $25 for that 256k down 40 gig cap plan, instead of the 40 or 50 bux its supposed to be.

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Reply # 49743 26-Oct-2006 09:47
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Goten475: Nah im sick of my downloads taking 25 hours to finish, especially when orcon limit my bitcomet from 3pm to 12am.


Same thing is gonna happen should you move to Xtra's Go Large plan.  Have you even looked at their fine print?









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  Reply # 49745 26-Oct-2006 10:25
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As far as the fair use policy goes only a 100% noob couldn’t manage their traffic between 4 and 12. The traffic management is only a reflection of this policy. Although they didnt specifically state that busy periods means 4-12 i could proably get around their peer to peer limiting by port forwarding.

I think you grossly underestimate the speed of a 7.6meg connection, I can only estimate that the speeds likely on bitcomet etc would be around 800kb/s. That is Mmmmm good chicken thank you mommy. The only annoyance is getting a client that supports timed downloads so I don’t have to stay up till midnight to start torrents. However, I think azureus supports this feature.


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Reply # 49746 26-Oct-2006 10:34
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7.6 Mbps is the maximun, and I doubt 80% of people will every reach this (applying a 80/20 rule here). I am on 10 Mbps (TelstraClear) and only on occasions I download something off of a Microsoft server at 1MB/second (not megabit, that's megabyte).

Most of times though my downloads are about 400KB/second (again, bytes not bits).

I doubt people on a slower DSL connection will get better than this. But again, I am using a single download server, not a P2P network.





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  Reply # 49750 26-Oct-2006 10:55
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I guess the biggest problem is there are a small % of people who expect to get a high speed internet connection with 100GB cap for $29.95 per month with no P2P throttling.

At the end of the day if you want a good service you pay for it. In that respect I hope TCL never go down the track of throttling traffic - I don't mind paying good money to get a decent service.

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  Reply # 49751 26-Oct-2006 11:05
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freitasm:
Goten475: The new plans are not only more expensive $50 to $60 now if i stayed on 256k down 128 up but the data cap 10 gigs less 40 down to 30. If someone wanted full speed internet with a decent cap there is no way the average person could afford to pay for it on orcon. Im totally blown away, im changing to xtra's full speed semi-unlimited plan tomorrow. I hope there are enough torrent geeks as orcon customers to really ream them in the rectum for this ****up.


Here is my idea: you either get 256Kbps or max speed where available. An increased allowance. And complain?

Look this way: isn't terrible that a Chrysler 300C costs $75,000? After all you can easily buy a Toyota Corolla for $20,000.

Folks, if you want a cheaper movie go buy a DVD as suggested. In you view, the average person is a leecher?



But Now Days more and more leechers download TV shows more than movies like prison break, family guy, lost and simpsons.....and you cannot get those from dvd shops.....

However i agree that people should stop moaning about plans as they are forced by telecom to only have wafer thin margins for their own plans.....

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Reply # 49752 26-Oct-2006 11:05
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sbiddle: I guess the biggest problem is there are a small % of people who expect to get a high speed internet connection with 100GB cap for $29.95 per month with no P2P throttling.

At the end of the day if you want a good service you pay for it. In that respect I hope TCL never go down the track of throttling traffic - I don't mind paying good money to get a decent service.


Equals the "Rb32 skyline for $5000".  I agree wholeheartedly with you.







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Reply # 49754 26-Oct-2006 11:08
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kwaan: But Now Days more and more leechers download TV shows more than movies like prison break, family guy, lost and simpsons.....and you cannot get those from dvd shops.....


Some of us work hard for our $$$, have credit cards to import such items and value them as such.







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Reply # 49756 26-Oct-2006 11:12
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kwaan:
But Now Days more and more leechers download TV shows more than movies like prison break, family guy, lost and simpsons.....and you cannot get those from dvd shops.....

However i agree that people should stop moaning about plans as they are forced by telecom to only have wafer thin margins for their own plans.....


Those TV shows are still subject to copyright....

I think people need to stop complaing about Telecom, wholesalers do not have to purchase UBS they can also purchase plans at a retail minus rate, which is up to them. At the end of the day all business must make a return to deliver to their shareholders, including Telecom and Orcon etc... Telecom seems to be getting on with it.







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Reply # 49758 26-Oct-2006 11:20
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All those TV shows are available on DVD. Just import them. Sooner or later they are also here in New Zealand. I pay more for my 10Mbps connection with large cap because I use it for business and my day to day Internet needs.

If your use of the Internet is for downloading copyrighted material, then your needs have a different level. For example, why should a provider arrange for content downloading to be fast, leaving other legal uses suffering because of the high bandwidth used by those illegal downloads?

The value of something is directly proportional to your needs, to the availability and the demand. If you want a high speed service, bear in mind that traffic from and to New Zealand costs more than traffic within continental U.S. Also the number of people in the U.S. using these services is much higher than New Zealand.

Therefore it will be cheaper and even possible to have unlimited broadband in the U.S and not have the same offering here.

As sbiddle says, a lot of people want all the speed, no limits and for $29.95 a month. This is simply not possible.







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  Reply # 49763 26-Oct-2006 11:47
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Yeah but what im saying is that with xtra's *unlimited* that "small percentage" should be able to settle their downloads outside the restricted hours no problem. Orcon has no plans that even come close to that, i dont know if they were forced to do this but it seems foolish. Isp's are certainly going to lose customers to xtra there is no question about that.

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