Is it unusual for no stores to have any GPU's over 8gb?

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#3326660 31-Dec-2024 20:50

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SpartanVXL: Theres a rumour nvidia is going to do texture AI upscaling with the 5xxx series, possibly a reduction in how much total vram is needed.

DLSS was one of the reasons that Nvidia said they didn't need as much memory on current gen cards. Upscaling requires less memory.

At least that was my understanding from the time when they announced cards with 8GB memory and people gasped in horror.

But one of the new cards main features is Ray Tracing, and that increases vram usage massively. I sort of hope the intersection of them being stingy with vram, and more and more games using ray tracing baked in, blows up in their face.

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#3326662 31-Dec-2024 21:31

CrushKill:
But one of the new cards main features is Ray Tracing, and that increases vram usage massively. I sort of hope the intersection of them being stingy with vram, and more and more games using ray tracing baked in, blows up in their face.

I don’t think they really care about gaming anymore. Their datacentre revenue is so much bigger than their gaming revenue so it’s very much a secondary consideration for Nvidia these days.

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#3326663 31-Dec-2024 21:35

Jase2985:

It requires the amount of memory for the resolution its being up-scaled from, ie 1080p

Right, and it's really unlikely that most cards needed more than 8GB as a result. I personally felt it was a mistake, but I am just some random pleb.

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#3326669 31-Dec-2024 22:29

networkn:

Jase2985:

It requires the amount of memory for the resolution its being up-scaled from, ie 1080p

Right, and it's really unlikely that most cards needed more than 8GB as a result. I personally felt it was a mistake, but I am just some random pleb.

Depends on what quality setting you want for your game, there are some to play at even 1080P high require more than 8GB VRAM so even using DLSS, which seems to use about 200MB VRAM for the same quality setting, you would need a greater than 8GB card.

at 1440p up-scaled it would drop to medium for some games.

How much quality do you want to sacrifice to run at a higher resolution where it would likely be more noticeable?

Its give and take.

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#3328970 8-Jan-2025 07:23

Well nvidia has just done their keynote and announced the 5000 series alongside a bunch of new tech.

https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-rtx-neural-rendering-introduces-next-era-of-ai-powered-graphics-innovation/

Relevant:

RTX Neural Texture Compression uses AI to compress thousands of textures in less than a minute. Their neural representations are stored or accessed in real time or loaded directly into memory without further modification. The neurally compressed textures save up to 7x more VRAM or system memory than traditional block compressed textures at the same visual quality.

Not just exclusive to nvidia, “DirectX developers, Microsoft will be adding Cooperative Vector support to DirectX in the near future.”

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#3329300 8-Jan-2025 18:48

I think that's nonsense. Apple pulled the same thing where 8 gb = 16 gb but testing showed otherwise.

I am more interested how much the 5080 and 5090 will cost here. How hard was it to get the 4090 in NZ?

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#3329302 8-Jan-2025 18:59

Let's see how they, and the new AMD cards, perform in benchmarks on multiple games and with realistic settings. The Cyberpunk demo is impressive but it's pretty obviously been picked to show the card at it's best.

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#3329309 8-Jan-2025 19:21

Handle9:

Let's see how they, and the new AMD cards, perform in benchmarks on multiple games and with realistic settings.

AMD is not going to go for the high-end this generation.

Here is an AMD first-party slide from AMD on where AMD thinks their new cards will fall into for performance compared to the current generation cards.

It will be interesting if AMD goes hard on the price and availability of entry-level to mid-range cards.

https://youtu.be/VCE3AUOaab0?si=0bzIUzpPOOL-fMvD&t=166

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#3329364 8-Jan-2025 19:44

Qazzy03:

Handle9:

Let's see how they, and the new AMD cards, perform in benchmarks on multiple games and with realistic settings.

AMD is not going to go for the high-end this generation.

Here is an AMD first-party slide from AMD on where AMD thinks their new cards will fall into for performance compared to the current generation cards.

It will be interesting if AMD goes hard on the price and availability of entry-level to mid-range cards.

https://youtu.be/VCE3AUOaab0?si=0bzIUzpPOOL-fMvD&t=166

I, and the vast majority of users, couldn't really give a hoot about 5080 or 5090 cards. I'm never going to buy one unless it's second hand in a couple of years.

X070 and X060 class cards are where I'm interested and where AMD looks like they want to play.

What I'm interested in is the pressure RDNA 4 and Battlemage put on containing prices. They need to compete on performance with Nvidia to do that.

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#3329495 9-Jan-2025 12:15

The 5070 and 5070ti at $550 and $750 usd is hard to contend with. If the DLSS improvements are true the AMD has a lot of work to catch up with even on the mid-range.

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#3329506 9-Jan-2025 13:31

Um, please don't think the US prices translate well to NZ. The nearest example we have is NVIDIAS OWN AUSTRALIAN pricing they have announced for the FE cards.

That USD $750 for the 5070ti which converts today to $1338NZD.

But the Nvidia suggested AU price of $1509 AUD converts to $1672 NZD

So we're still looking at probably $1700 NZD for the 3rd from top model. Granted it's not as bad as I feared, but it's still a long way from sensible.

Also, check out the 5090 for $4038 AUD - $4475NZD... I have been predicting $4500 for the 5090 when it gets here for weeks. I hope I'm wrong but I'm not sure I am :-(

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#3329563 9-Jan-2025 13:49

Cl were showing $1300 indicatively yesterday I think for the 5070 and $1700 for the TI.

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#3329574 9-Jan-2025 14:18

I checked my emails, and I paid $930 for a 1070 back in 2016. So its gone up by almost $1000 in 8 years, just for the 70 tier. Wild.

Edit. I guess $450 I mean. Did they have a ti back then? I cant remember.

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#3329577 9-Jan-2025 14:23

Admittedly I think I bought at nearly the bottom of the market, but I paid $3099 for a 4090 ~18 months ago... Looks like a nearly 50% increase in price for the 5090.

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#3329579 9-Jan-2025 14:34

ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 DUAL OC 12GB Graphics Card $1049 in March 2024

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