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Qazzy03
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  #3330989 13-Jan-2025 15:34
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I am still running an i7 8700 non k with a 7900xtx and i am still getting a solid 60fps at 4k. 

So i would only recommend cpu upgrade if you are not hitting the fps you want.
My cpu is bottlenecking my gpu but its hitting my max frame rate, so i am not too worried.




RobDickinson

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  #3330990 13-Jan-2025 15:40
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60fps in what tho? I have a 144hz 4k monitor

 

 

 

BG3 and GW2 etc are more cpu intensive games, I dont mind capping a 50x0 card if I upgrade the system late and reuse but I dont want to upgrade the graphics card and see hardly any improvement because of a cpu bottleneck. 


Qazzy03
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  #3330993 13-Jan-2025 16:11
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Only game i wasnt hitting solid 60fps without raytracing was Starfield.

 

Cyberpunk and BG3 were solid and pretty much every other game i threw at it.

 

If you want to do 4k and go higher than 60fps, then yeah CPU will matter a bit 

 

Hardware unboxed did a good 4k cpu look very recently.

 

 

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5GIvrMWzr9k

 

 




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  #3331025 13-Jan-2025 19:13
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SpartanVXL: I did this, I had a 3700x and 2070 super in 2019 before covid prices came in. Then in late 2022 upgraded to 5800x3d and 4090.

It’s worth it because the 3700x suffered from CCX latency, and my one also sucked with max clocks enough that I regretted not getting the 3800x.

I can’t see anywhere with 5800x3d anymore or even the 5700x3d in stock, you can get the 5700x3d from amazon AU however from AMD as the seller.

 

5700X3D are also available from Aliexpress from sellers with excellent reviews and large numbers of sales for between  $300 and $350.

 

FWIW I've bought a fair amount of PC parts from Aliexpress with good results. YMMV of course but it is certainly worth considering.


SpartanVXL
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  #3331028 13-Jan-2025 19:26
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networkn:

SpartanVXL: Corsair HX750 is fine. 5070ti is in the sweet spot right now for how much card you get for the $. It will later be the super models that refresh the line in a year or so.

Take your pick, but go for the 5700x3d if you want a quick boost to min fps and mmo or strategy game performance. Otherwise you’ll need to move to am5 which may be better value in a year or two if they release another x3d sku.

Forgot to mention, ram performance still helps with x3d, try to have 3600MHz memory if you can. Also check SoC voltage if you do as some motherboard can overvolt the SoC at 3600MHz profiles, it should be in the 1.1-1.15v range.

If you have 3000/3200MHz no biggie, dont bother and save the money for ddr5 when you upgrade later.


I am prepared to bet $5 that without a benchmark, there isn't a human who can tell the difference between 3200 and 3600 memory speed in a computer. 


If you are buying new, perhaps, but you'd never upgrade from 3200 to 3600. 


 



Well of course not, also why I said no biggie.

There are benefits to 1% lows and min fps, this only really helps if you’re absolutely gpu limited. OP plays mmos where this is common. Ryzen also benefited from higher bandwidth from the Infinity Fabric, add dual rank with interleaving and tighter timings and you could get a decent boost.

But you can do all this on AM5 as well, hence the disclaimer.

Dreamerz
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  #3331129 14-Jan-2025 08:17
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Worth noting you can get deals on aliexpress sometimes for the 5700x3d particularly when they have coupons.

 

I paid $150 usd for my Ryzen 7 7700.


RobDickinson

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  #3331205 14-Jan-2025 09:35
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looks like about $300ish on aliexpress for a 5700x3d seems worthwhile upgrade over scraping the whole system so long as it wont be holding the rest back


 
 
 

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RobDickinson

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  #3331415 14-Jan-2025 13:12
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https://gamersnexus.net/cpus/amd-r7-3700x-r5-3600-2024-revisit-benchmarks-vs-7800x3d-5700x3d-more

 

 

 

so it looks like a 5700x3d w 4080 gives a 50-100% uplift in games which seems decent for a $300 update


Dreamerz
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  #3331766 15-Jan-2025 12:35
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RobDickinson:

 

https://gamersnexus.net/cpus/amd-r7-3700x-r5-3600-2024-revisit-benchmarks-vs-7800x3d-5700x3d-more

 

 

 

so it looks like a 5700x3d w 4080 gives a 50-100% uplift in games which seems decent for a $300 update

 

 

Yeah they are very nice for the price best in AM4 for gaming.

 

I went AM5 because fast memory is better for my use cases as well as AVX512.


RobDickinson

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  #3332325 16-Jan-2025 14:14
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ok looks like my mb bios (which for some gigabyte being absolute garbage reason, I cant update) will run the 5700x3d

 

 

 

I think I will have to tinker with windows drivers etc to get the x3d scheduling working etc?


SpartanVXL
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  #3332374 16-Jan-2025 15:59
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5700x3d only has one ccd so no need for scheduler changes? Just update AMD chipset drivers on windows and you’re good to go.

RobDickinson

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  #3332626 17-Jan-2025 10:01
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Ah true thats good


SpartanVXL
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  #3332745 17-Jan-2025 12:31
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Just fyi the 5700x3d only boosts to 4100MHz and likely to do less on all core even with curve optimiser. The 5800x3d can boost to 4450MHz.

RobDickinson

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  #3332790 17-Jan-2025 15:55
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I am sure it can but where do I get one from?


SpartanVXL
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  #3332810 17-Jan-2025 17:15
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Not to dissuade from the 5700x3d since it’s likely the only one available down here at a reasonable cost. Just a fyi on the clocks since a lot of people see the x700 ryzen cpus as close to x800 ones when theres still a bit if difference.

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