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Ultimate Geek

#2710030 20-May-2021 10:10

Hot off the press from nVidia - Light Hash Rate versions of 3080, 3070 and 3060 Ti will be shipping in late May.

Would you believe there's a lot of concern online - these are evil witch cards that should be avoided as they will somehow be bad at other tasks :/

I would've thought its pretty unlikely that a 350 billion dollar company couldn't identify and limit only mining algorithms...

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#2712269 24-May-2021 14:09

The cynic in me thinks that the change to cripple mining efficiency in these RTX cards will not return pricing to acceptable levels for quite some time yet. Retailers are enjoying wild profits far too much. There will be ongoing 'supply' issues cited long after the new cards make a jump into the market.

Sadly, I don't see affordable graphics for gamers for another 6-9 months.

What a shambles.

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#2712273 24-May-2021 14:15

networkn:

The cynic in me thinks that the change to cripple mining efficiency in these RTX cards will not return pricing to acceptable levels for quite some time yet. Retailers are enjoying wild profits far too much. There will be ongoing 'supply' issues cited long after the new cards make a jump into the market.

Sadly, I don't see affordable graphics for gamers for another 6-9 months.

What a shambles.

It won't, sure mining isn't helping but the demand for all things gaming is through the roof.

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#2712276 24-May-2021 14:26

throbb:

It won't, sure mining isn't helping but the demand for all things gaming is through the roof.

It is, but mining, according to a number of analysts is causing the biggest issue, followed by scalpers who are profiteering from the smaller number of units.

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#2712383 24-May-2021 15:28

I doubt mining is making all that much of a difference in the market. The trouble is all silicon chips are in a shortage at the moment. Are miners and scalpers to blame for the car manufacturers being unable to source enough ECUs to keep their production lines running? Miners and scalpers are just a nice unlikable target to deflect blame on to until they can get the supply lines rolling properly again.

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#2712399 24-May-2021 15:44

Varkk:

I doubt mining is making all that much of a difference in the market. The trouble is all silicon chips are in a shortage at the moment. Are miners and scalpers to blame for the car manufacturers being unable to source enough ECUs to keep their production lines running? Miners and scalpers are just a nice unlikable target to deflect blame on to until they can get the supply lines rolling properly again.

Go and take a look at the videos where you can see GPU mining farms with hundreds or thousands of cards all working 24/7 :)

There are multi factors involved in the current situation, but if mining wasn't having a significant impact to availability, they wouldn't have crippled them to help improve supply.

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#2712554 24-May-2021 18:02

Or are Nvidia and AMD scared that when the mining boom crashes the market will be flooded with all these secondhand cards that will inevitably fill a void where they cannot due to the global chip shortages?

Anyway I don't think miners are the underlying issue but they're not helping the situation that's for sure, data shows that Steam had a boom with concurrent users when the pandemic was in full swing with a huge peak in April 2020 and another rise right around the 3000 series launch. The data shows WFH and lockdowns triggered a huge spike in upgrades to PCs.. Supply & demand 101

Nvidia's incoming LHR cards will be a paper launch too, not because of miners but again semiconductor shortages and high demand.

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#2716933 1-Jun-2021 21:37

Great, 3070Ti and 3080Ti are announced. More cards no mortal will be able to get their hands on due to price and availability.

$599 USD for the 3070Ti and $1199 USD for the 3080Ti, so around $22999 for the cheaper card here at any discount retailer, and $59999 for the more expensive one!

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Master Geek

#2716978 2-Jun-2021 07:11

It amazes me they are announcing new cards while they can't even produce enough of the other not so new ones... It's absolutely stupid....

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Ultimate Geek

#2717042 2-Jun-2021 09:21

Agreed, considering the 3070Ti and 3080Ti use the same dies as their non Ti variants it makes you wonder why?, other then a cash grab.

This MSRP is total BS, AIBs are going to super inflate the price, if there was going to be a price drop in the retail stores it would of happened, these cards launch Saturday NZ don't they?

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#2717045 2-Jun-2021 09:24

I wonder if they'll even launch here this week. I cheaper to import 3070ti

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#2717046 2-Jun-2021 09:30

ekul: I wonder if they'll even launch here this week. I cheaper to import 3070ti

Stock isn't much easier to get overseas, if at all. Are these new models anti mining models?

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Master Geek

#2717047 2-Jun-2021 09:33

True but you can get a 30870ti imported for less than 1000 nzd. Yes they are LHR(light hash rate), hopefully making them less wanted by miners

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Ultimate Geek

#2717067 2-Jun-2021 10:16

ekul: True but you can get a 30870ti imported for less than 1000 nzd. Yes they are LHR(light hash rate), hopefully making them less wanted by miners

The LHR only apply to partner cards, not nVidia FE cards. You won't get a partner card for NZ$2,000 much less $1,000 regardless of where it comes from. NZ actually gets pretty good pricing compared to other parts of the world - Europe seems to get shafted the most.

nVidia does not ship internationally so you'd need to have someone overseas buy it for you and ship it. Even then buying an FE is like winning the lottery.

nVidia appears to have let the AIBs off the leash with pricing, with the 3080 Ti buy at over US$2,000 - that's before retail. Sounds completely mental but will find out soon enough if true.

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#2717129 2-Jun-2021 11:02

arcon:

ekul: True but you can get a 30870ti imported for less than 1000 nzd. Yes they are LHR(light hash rate), hopefully making them less wanted by miners

The LHR only apply to partner cards, not nVidia FE cards. You won't get a partner card for NZ$2,000 much less $1,000 regardless of where it comes from. NZ actually gets pretty good pricing compared to other parts of the world - Europe seems to get shafted the most.

nVidia does not ship internationally so you'd need to have someone overseas buy it for you and ship it. Even then buying an FE is like winning the lottery.

nVidia appears to have let the AIBs off the leash with pricing, with the 3080 Ti buy at over US$2,000 - that's before retail. Sounds completely mental but will find out soon enough if true.

If you can secure a FE and ship through youshop it comes to less than 1000 NZD

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