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#2599527 7-Nov-2020 14:51

Internal motherboard headers are to connect the motherboard to the front panel connectors. And I found it a right royal PITB figuring out what was what. USB 3.2 gen 1 = type A USB 3 port. You need USB 3.2 gen 2 if you buy a case with a USB C connector. I think.

If you're sure you won't be adding stuff later (and are possibly a bit ambivalent about building yourself anyway), I've been pretty impressed with the HP business desktop line - e.g. ProDesk or EliteDesk. They obviously go on sale too.

Or you could possibly split the difference with a PB Ryzen Business build? I've not used these myself though: https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/WKSPB5350/PB-Executive-Series-5350-Desktop-PC-AMD-Ryzen-5-Pr

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#2599531 7-Nov-2020 15:02

timmmay:

4650G isn't available from PBTech, I think maybe it can only be sold with full systems. 3400G is quite a bit lower performance, still more than current PC. Even the 3200G is faster than my current CPU at about $200, which drops the price to about the same as Intel. If I buy a motherboard that supports Zen3 I could wait 6-12 months then get a Zen3 that has a GPU built in.

Or I could just buy the Intel. I will never do anything that requires a high speed add-in card, the only expansion I might do is more USB ports or SATA ports.

I noticed that many motherboards say they have (for example) "Two USB 3.2 Gen 1 Headers". Surely that doesn't mean they have two USB ports? Does a header supply multiple USB ports?

Headers generally refers to the internal connections for front USB on the case/internal USB things.

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#2599560 7-Nov-2020 17:06

@timmmay for what you use the computer for either will be fine for you. just go with what you can afford and has the right ports etc

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#2599561 7-Nov-2020 17:08

I have two SSDs and two or three spinning disks to go into the computer, so need a mini ATX or maybe even a tower case and cooling to go with it :) Good idea otherwise @MDF. I'll look at the PBTech builds, probably custom. I might go with entry level Ryzen 3200G or similar, really cheap and don't have to buy a GPU, then in a year or so upgrade to the Ryzen 5600G or whatever comes out. Might just go with the 5600X and a basic graphics card, but honestly the entry level 3200 is probably sufficient and has heaps of headroom for future upgrades. I suspect they'll be making CPUs that fit into those boards for a couple of years minimum. I'm not going to build it myself, takes too long especially if something is faulty - I had a faulty power button on a case once, that was a pain to diagnose and get replaced.

Thanks for the header info @Dreamerz and mdf. I guess there's a bunch of USB ports on the back, plus a couple of headers for front case stuff. Yeah I think you're right about the USB A / C thing too, I'll look at that.

Once I decide which way to go I'll post a build to another thread and link from here. Need to research quiet cases, and get opinions on other components.

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#2599563 7-Nov-2020 17:12

@timmay For what you want just buy whatever is on special - Intel or Ryzen. It won't make a great deal of difference.

The case will probably make the biggest difference for noise.

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#2599564 7-Nov-2020 17:13

Jase2985:

@timmmay for what you use the computer for either will be fine for you. just go with what you can afford and has the right ports etc

Thanks. Given a PC lasts me up to ten years the cost is not really the main thing, $500 more is only $50 a year extra.

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#2599603 7-Nov-2020 19:15

I don't need a GPU - none of my software can take advantage of it. I don't really mind the the cost, it's the waste extra heat / noise that counts against it. So that leaves me with the Ryzen 3400G ($260) or Intel 10500 ($337). The Intel is faster per core, and overall. The Ryzen has the advantage I could upgrade to Zen3 with GPU later if I wanted to, and probably triple the CPU performance in a year for probably around $600 or so if I wanted to - but given the 2600K is still fine I can't see me needing to do that. So it's more about which platform is generally better plus a few basics like availability of a good quality, reasonably priced motherboard with USB 3.2 support, number of USB ports, number of SATA cables ports. For example, I never got automatic fan control working on my 2600K so I use a manual fan controller, automatic could be really handy.

I'd probably lean towards the Intel 10 series just because it's a newer platform than the Zen2 and that might have some kind of advantage. Interested to hear thoughts though.

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#2599616 7-Nov-2020 20:00

@timmmay this really isnt the thread for this discussion

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#2599618 7-Nov-2020 20:07

Sorry, I'll start another thread. My questions can be removed from the thread if a mod wants, from post 2599446 pretty much the rest of the thread.

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#2599732 8-Nov-2020 09:10

If anyone can help check my component selection I've started thread here.

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#2599829 8-Nov-2020 10:59

They're heeere...

5900X Pricespy

$959... ouchies lol, a $150 markup from the US MSRP, but that's the one I'll be getting. For those interested the 5600X appears to be in stock at PB Tech.

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#2599881 8-Nov-2020 12:00

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They're heeere...

$959... ouchies lol, a $150 markup from the US MSRP, but that's the one I'll be getting. For those interested the 5600X appears to be in stock at PB Tech.

It's a little something called GST.

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#2600039 8-Nov-2020 18:00

I use exclusively mini-itx systems and either 1) don't want to pay extra for GPU and 2) often need more monitor connections than a multi connector GPU makes worthwhile. E.g if I want 3 screens its easy with 2x onboard and a cheap GPU but the price jumps a lot with having to get a GPU that can do that.

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#2600124 8-Nov-2020 21:21

Zeon:

I use exclusively mini-itx systems and either 1) don't want to pay extra for GPU and 2) often need more monitor connections than a multi connector GPU makes worthwhile. E.g if I want 3 screens its easy with 2x onboard and a cheap GPU but the price jumps a lot with having to get a GPU that can do that.

these current CPU's are not for you then

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#2600125 8-Nov-2020 21:23

timmmay:

@Dreamerz (and others) I use it for the usual web / email, a bit of very light development work that's not CPU intensive, a little bit of home video editing / rendering about twice a year, so nothing heavy. No gaming at all. The current i7 2600K with built in GPU works just fine, it's plenty fast enough. I just want a quiet, reliable PC.

Here's a quick comparison of systems, without being too picky about parts (I'll look at that later). Ryzen 5600X build $2200 ($2080 without the extra cooler, they supply an average cooler with that CPU), Intel i5-10500 build $1650. The intel is cheaper as no GPU, no cooler, and the CPU is just cheaper, I've tried to make all the other components the same. I don't mind paying $500 more if there's a good reason, especially given PCs last me 5-8 years.

CPU Benchmarks Ryzen ( 3330 single core, 22300 all cores ), Intel (2758 single core, 1300 all cores). Clearly the Ryzen is faster, but compared with the current i7 2600K (1700 single core, 5000 all cores) both will be plenty fast enough.

The 5600x comes with a heatsink so no need for you to buy one given your use case.

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