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#277346 9-Oct-2020 08:12
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From Anandtech: 

 

 

It's looking like another good year for Team Red, and they might finally match or better Intel on performance. Unfortunately it looks like it also launches with a round of price increases, but I guess since they are trying to compete with Chipzilla on performance, not price, that was to be expected.

 

Backwards compatible with 400 & 500 series motherboards naturally. Release date is November 5th.

 

They only showed a brief teaser about Big Navi unfortunately, so it looks like we will have to wait a bit longer until October 28th for the juicy deets on that.


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  #2581753 9-Oct-2020 08:50
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5900x v 10900K is an interesting comparison. Good on AMD. 


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  #2581926 9-Oct-2020 14:22
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Looking forward to this release!

 

Per my signature very much needing an update from 2012! Now the question is the 5900x or the 5950x, the reviews will tell which is the better option, im leaning to the 5950X for longer life with more cores, but concerned with the lower base frequency.

 

Also looks like no new motherboards which is surprising, I expected a x670 to be announced today as well and both MSI and Asus have announced new x570 boards today which 5000X support (which all will get via bios updates). But they are marketing them to be improved for 5000x series... time will tell!

 

It also seems like 3600 RAM is still the best option going forwards.

 

 

 

Roll on November 6 (our time) for reviews to flood out.





CPU: Intel 3770k| RAM: F3-2400C10D-16GTX G.Skill Trident X |MB:  Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H-WB | GFX: GV-N660OC-2GD gv-n660oc-2gd GeForce GTX 660 | Monitor: Qnix 27" 2560x1440

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2582697 11-Oct-2020 18:31
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Huge news on the motherboard front; Asus will finally be releasing a passively cooled X570 board, the Crosshair VIII DARK HERO coming November. So they can finally compete in the enthusiast market with Gigabyte, and only 18 months late to the party lol. 

 

Asus DARK HERO

 

But it gets better, while the Gigabyte AUROS EXTREME is an eyeball-melting US$700, the Asus MRSP is US$400. I think the differences are the Asus only has 2 M.2 slots and 2.5GB LAN max, no Thunderbolt... but that's still a massive price gap. Gigabyte's Fusion RGB software is generally considered to be hell spawn as well, so the Asus board was everything I was wanting for Xmas... along with the rest of the new rig of course :D 

 

 


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  #2582713 11-Oct-2020 19:33
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I don't think there's much point in the average home user buying high end motherboards if they value their time or money as they're just too unreliable. The lower production-run exotic motherboards are probably less reliable than the cheaper mass production models. Unless someone specifically need features the value of paying far more is not there. The motherboards nowadays have effectively become visual jewellery for a misspent youth with transparent cases.

 

AMD CPUs on the other hand are extremely reliable. 


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  #2582715 11-Oct-2020 19:48
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bfginger:

 

I don't think there's much point in the average home user buying high end motherboards if they value their time or money as they're just too unreliable. The lower production-run exotic motherboards are probably less reliable than the cheaper mass production models. Unless someone specifically need features the value of paying far more is not there. The motherboards nowadays have effectively become visual jewellery for a misspent youth with transparent cases.

 

 

All your opinion. I've never had mobo reliability issues & as a designer (who's past 40 lol) I like to customize my own case bling, but each to their own.


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  #2582717 11-Oct-2020 20:06
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I'll be looking at these. Unsure whether I'll go Intel or AMD, doesn't make much difference really, my 2600K is still plenty fast enough it's just that ports are failing and it's time for a refresh to ensure reliability. Given CPUs are rarely upgraded once purchased these days, any opinion on which is better for a home PC that's used for the usual email, web, bit of home photo / video work? Priority is reliability and stability.

 

I buy the cheapest motherboard on a good brand that has the features I need. I buy an opaque black case that keeps the noise in.


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  #2582789 12-Oct-2020 00:21
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arcon:

 

Huge news on the motherboard front; Asus will finally be releasing a passively cooled X570 board, the Crosshair VIII DARK HERO coming November. So they can finally compete in the enthusiast market with Gigabyte, and only 18 months late to the party lol. 

 

Asus DARK HERO

 

I really, really wish that motherboard manufactures would think about those who want things like 10-Gigabit Ethernet, Optical Audio and NO WIFI. I spent ages searching for a X570 motherboard without WiFi or all the RGB as I wanted a stealth, silent, workstation build.

 

timmmay:

 

I'll be looking at these. Unsure whether I'll go Intel or AMD, doesn't make much difference really, my 2600K is still plenty fast enough it's just that ports are failing and it's time for a refresh to ensure reliability. Given CPUs are rarely upgraded once purchased these days, any opinion on which is better for a home PC that's used for the usual email, web, bit of home photo / video work? Priority is reliability and stability.

 

I buy the cheapest motherboard on a good brand that has the features I need. I buy an opaque black case that keeps the noise in.

 

This sounds like the build I did during the L4 lockdown. I however went higher end with a Ryzen 7 3800X as I often run some VM labs as well as 64gb of ram. One of my friends got a AMD Ryzen 5 3600 along with a B450 motherboard and a mid-range GPU and it is seriously quick. The case I used was the Corsair Carbide 275Q which is a silent, stealth case - just replaced the CPU cooler along with the case fans with some Noctua silent fans to bring in good airflow while keeping things quiet. All storage is NVMe based.

 

To be perfectly honest - I'd do an AMD build over Intel these days. You get better bang for buck and AMD are quite a bit ahead now. Also unaffected by Spectre / Meltdown where mitigations affect performance on many Intel processors to this day.





 
 
 
 


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  #2582791 12-Oct-2020 05:27
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michaelmurfy:

 

To be perfectly honest - I'd do an AMD build over Intel these days. You get better bang for buck and AMD are quite a bit ahead now. Also unaffected by Spectre / Meltdown where mitigations affect performance on many Intel processors to this day.

 

 

I tend to agree. The Ryzen X600 series has been the value pick the whole way through the Ryzen series. 6 cores/12 threads and now the clock speeds are getting up there.

 

I couldn't be happier with my Ryzen 2600 / B450 build from January 2018. It's been a great machine, especially for the $$.


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  #2582792 12-Oct-2020 06:20
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michaelmurfy:

 

timmmay:

 

I'll be looking at these. Unsure whether I'll go Intel or AMD, doesn't make much difference really, my 2600K is still plenty fast enough it's just that ports are failing and it's time for a refresh to ensure reliability. Given CPUs are rarely upgraded once purchased these days, any opinion on which is better for a home PC that's used for the usual email, web, bit of home photo / video work? Priority is reliability and stability.

 

I buy the cheapest motherboard on a good brand that has the features I need. I buy an opaque black case that keeps the noise in.

 

This sounds like the build I did during the L4 lockdown. I however went higher end with a Ryzen 7 3800X as I often run some VM labs as well as 64gb of ram. One of my friends got a AMD Ryzen 5 3600 along with a B450 motherboard and a mid-range GPU and it is seriously quick. The case I used was the Corsair Carbide 275Q which is a silent, stealth case - just replaced the CPU cooler along with the case fans with some Noctua silent fans to bring in good airflow while keeping things quiet. All storage is NVMe based.

 

To be perfectly honest - I'd do an AMD build over Intel these days. You get better bang for buck and AMD are quite a bit ahead now. Also unaffected by Spectre / Meltdown where mitigations affect performance on many Intel processors to this day.

 

 

Nice, thanks. Value is important, but also longevity, reliability, etc. I was even considering ECC RAM  (I had faulty RAM for a while that caused problems) but not sure if it's worth doing that.


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  #2582799 12-Oct-2020 06:38
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timmmay:

 

michaelmurfy:

 

This sounds like the build I did during the L4 lockdown. I however went higher end with a Ryzen 7 3800X as I often run some VM labs as well as 64gb of ram. One of my friends got a AMD Ryzen 5 3600 along with a B450 motherboard and a mid-range GPU and it is seriously quick. The case I used was the Corsair Carbide 275Q which is a silent, stealth case - just replaced the CPU cooler along with the case fans with some Noctua silent fans to bring in good airflow while keeping things quiet. All storage is NVMe based.

 

To be perfectly honest - I'd do an AMD build over Intel these days. You get better bang for buck and AMD are quite a bit ahead now. Also unaffected by Spectre / Meltdown where mitigations affect performance on many Intel processors to this day.

 

 

Nice, thanks. Value is important, but also longevity, reliability, etc. I was even considering ECC RAM  (I had faulty RAM for a while that caused problems) but not sure if it's worth doing that.

 

 

Just don't look at overclocking for Ryzen. From what I've seen the gains are minimal but there is potential to shorten the CPU life.

 

If you are on a cheap motherboard you may not be able to anyway.


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  #2582814 12-Oct-2020 07:56
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I don't bother to overclock personally, even though I got the K version of the current Intel CPU. I don't buy cheap motherboards, I'd rather buy a workstation grade motherboard, I just don't buy the crazy expensive ones aimed at gamers that have features unnecessary for most people.


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  #2582933 12-Oct-2020 10:53
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timmmay:

 

I don't bother to overclock personally, even though I got the K version of the current Intel CPU. I don't buy cheap motherboards, I'd rather buy a workstation grade motherboard, I just don't buy the crazy expensive ones aimed at gamers that have features unnecessary for most people.

 

 

Asus Pro WS X570

 

This is a non-gamer oriented board that might be of interest. Supports ECC too not that I would ever go that route for workstation builds. 

 

As far as quiet cases my Define R5 has been good and has that black minimalist look. Check out Gamers Nexus reviews I think their last case (Define 7?) did really well too although ran a bit warm.   


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  #2582944 12-Oct-2020 11:05
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arcon:

 

Asus Pro WS X570

 

This is a non-gamer oriented board that might be of interest. Supports ECC too not that I would ever go that route for workstation builds. 

 

As far as quiet cases my Define R5 has been good and has that black minimalist look. Check out Gamers Nexus reviews I think their last case (Define 7?) did really well too although ran a bit warm.   

 

 

It would have to be pretty magical for me to spend $640 on the motherboard! My Gigabyte that's running my 2600K fine for years cost about $150 from memory. Happy to pay for good quality but wondering if paying $600+ is really necessary for a reliable home computer.


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  #2582988 12-Oct-2020 11:11
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arcon:

 

Asus Pro WS X570

 

This is a non-gamer oriented board that might be of interest. Supports ECC too not that I would ever go that route for workstation builds. 

 

I used the MSI X570-A PRO which is quite a bit cheaper, doesn't have WiFi and has optical audio (important for me as I use a soundbar for my PC) - seems like a cheaper workstation motherboard. Didn't need ECC ram, went with G.SKILL Trident Z Series on that front for my build. Have 2x NVMe drives installed also.

 

Seriously impressed with it - also nice knowing if I wanted to I could drop one of AMD's new CPU's into it. Stability has been top-notch.





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  #2583033 12-Oct-2020 11:18
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Someone on Slashdot posted this about PC longevity.

 

2020-[early]2021 is a particularly poor time to build a "future-resistant" PC. Intel has yet to ship complete systems with PCIe 4.0 support, and both Intel and AMD are expected to deliver DDR5 & USB 4.0 (Thunderbolt 3 compatible, if external I/O is a concern) platforms in late 2021 & early 2022 respectively. AMD is on its last full processor generation for its socket AM4 (perhaps we'll see a Zen 3+ in 2021, which would mean 3 full generations and 2 half-generations on the same socket), and Intel rarely supports a socket for more than 2 generations.

 

If going with Intel, late 2021 is the best "future-resistant" move, with early 2021 bringing only Rocket Lake-S processors (11th gen, finally moving away from the then almost 6-year-old Skylake architecture, but still on 14nm), with PCIe 4.0 but still no DDR5. Late 2021 will bring Alder Lake-S processors (12th gen & finally on 10nm SF) on a platform that will include PCIe 5.0, DDR5 & USB 4.0.

 

If going with AMD, early 2022 is the best "future-resistant" move, with Zen 4 processors on the [likely to be long-lived] AM5 platform bringing DDR5, USB 4.0 and likely PCIe 5.0.

 

However, there's always something better "in a few months" or "in a few years", so if you need a computer you have to just go buy what's available. I suspect my PC will keep dragging along for a while longer, with more sockets failing over time, but at 8 or so years old it's probably time as power supply, fans, etc are probably risks.


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