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# 173651 31-May-2015 13:47
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Looking at buying a couple of these 4TB Seagate HD's for HTPC.

Amazon works out to ~$22 cheaper per drive vs cheapest in NZ.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Desktop-3-5-Inch-Internal-ST4000DM000/dp/B00B99JU4S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1433034970&sr=8-1&keywords=4tb+seagate

Just wondering if there is any issue or downside to purchasing from there VS local?
Warranty I assume is international. Not sure were you'd send it if you do have issues though?
Plus DOA risk...

Just wondering if you guys typically order this sort of stuff overseas or stick to local? Thoughts.

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  # 1315102 31-May-2015 14:03
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For $22 extra I'd buy from NZ. HDDs fail. Even more so in a HTPC where (I presume?) they will be on 24/7. 
You'd say goodbye to any savings made when the first one fails and you have to send them back to the states and then pay for shipping back.



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  # 1315109 31-May-2015 14:20
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Thought you might be able to return in somewhere in Auckland. Seagate international warranty? But not sure, might end up needing to send back to states.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1315114 31-May-2015 14:31
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I buy HGST drives from the USA because of this. Seagate 4TB are meant to be ok. For $22 difference I'd buy locally.

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  # 1315118 31-May-2015 14:43
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Buy local not worth it if you have issues

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  # 1315135 31-May-2015 15:55
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You can try to return drives directly to Seagate. The closest location is Malaysia I think. You will reliably get screwed by NZ Post but will have saved a little in the 1st place.
http://www.seagate.com/au/en/support/warranty-and-replacements/

Since the reason you're looking at Seagate is the better HGST drives aren't available in NZ, why not get HGST from overseas? As timmmay says. That way the slight additional risk of DOA and failure is offset by the lower p.a. failure rate?





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  # 1315287 31-May-2015 23:39
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timmmay: I buy HGST drives from the USA because of this. Seagate 4TB are meant to be ok. For $22 difference I'd buy locally.


Yeah that's basically what was guiding my decision. Plus they're quiet, and pretty power efficient. I've been buying WD Greens before that. But have just had 2x out of 5 "die".
HGST do look nice. Haven't fully looked into them. Where did you buy them from?

Seagate's look acceptable for the price. 2 year warranty annoying though.

Seemed like a pretty close call to me for $22. But with only 2 year warranty. Seems like it's very likely to die outside of warranty anyway.



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  # 1315299 1-Jun-2015 02:16
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Quick look around at HGST 3TB and 4TB drives. Typically seem to be 2-3x the price of the Seagates. While they might have ~1% annual failure rate vs ~3%, not really worth the price increase. Especially if you can just buy more drives and build in redundancy.

Obviously worth a slight premium, but I'm just not finding anywhere that seems to sell for a reasonable price. Not on Amazon or Newegg at least.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1315332 1-Jun-2015 09:28
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+1 for buying local




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  # 1315382 1-Jun-2015 10:20
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I got mine from newegg. 4TB Seagate is NZ$24, 4TB HGST is NZ$230. Postage is $48, which isn't cheap, youshop might be cheaper. I got the express shipping when I ordered a motherboard I needed urgently, it was late and they refunded the full shipping price.

A drive failing is fairly annoying, which is why I went for HGST. I have 2x4TB in a RAID1 mirror, plus a 5TB external in an enclosure as backup offsite.



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  # 1315418 1-Jun-2015 11:08
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timmmay: I got mine from newegg. 4TB Seagate is NZ$24, 4TB HGST is NZ$230. Postage is $48, which isn't cheap, youshop might be cheaper. I got the express shipping when I ordered a motherboard I needed urgently, it was late and they refunded the full shipping price.

A drive failing is fairly annoying, which is why I went for HGST. I have 2x4TB in a RAID1 mirror, plus a 5TB external in an enclosure as backup offsite.


Ah found 4TB HGST on Newegg. NZ$55 more than Seagate on Amazon (29% premium). It's also not specifically a model used/tested by Backblaze. Though it seems HGST are good in general.

RAID 1 is great, until you have an experience like mine were a drive slowly dies and corrupt data is some how mirrored. Was very weird still don't fully understand what was going on. Ended up having to run 3 way byte comparison between 2x drives in array and backup.

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  # 1315463 1-Jun-2015 12:24
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That's a weird problem with the RAID. I'm running on storage spaces with the new file system ReFS which has checksums and such, which identify which is the correct version. I can see in the logs that it does kick in occasionally - though in W10 my log viewer has stopped working and I can't do an upgrade, so I'll have to live with it until the full release version. Not going to do a fresh install.

For the price Seagate are probably good. I've used Seagate for years with very few problems. Just make sure you have good backups - not mirrors, differential or incremental backups.



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  # 1316326 2-Jun-2015 16:43
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timmmay: That's a weird problem with the RAID. I'm running on storage spaces with the new file system ReFS which has checksums and such, which identify which is the correct version. I can see in the logs that it does kick in occasionally - though in W10 my log viewer has stopped working and I can't do an upgrade, so I'll have to live with it until the full release version. Not going to do a fresh install.

For the price Seagate are probably good. I've used Seagate for years with very few problems. Just make sure you have good backups - not mirrors, differential or incremental backups.


ReFS and checksums quite nice. Though storage spaces doesn't seem as nice as FlexRaid for media storage (pooling with disk parity that's not striped).

Chkdsk didn't seem to find any issues with the drives, had to use WD Tools full scan to find any issues. Really want some sort of better warning when a drive is failing...

Ended up buying locally.
Both Amazon and Newegg go on about collecting customs for orders? WTF it's under the threshold! Unsure if they'll actually charge it or exactly how that works?! Shipping from both was quite reasonable ~$20 for 2x drives. While YouShop you run the risk of them arriving in a big empty box and paying quite a bit to have it forwarded.

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  # 1316343 2-Jun-2015 17:02
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Where did you end up buying locally.

YouShop are supposed to repack overlarge boxes. They charge $4.50 for it and only do it if you would save $4.50+ on the postage cost.
https://www.nzpost.co.nz/tools/youshop/youshop-pricing/additional-youshop-fees

Did you take the Amazon or NewEgg items through to check out? As you say they shouldn't be charging any prepaid tax if it's under the threshold. And I'd certainly rather be taking a punt even on items over the threshold, that customs won't bother looking at it.

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  # 1316357 2-Jun-2015 17:28
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cshaun: ReFS and checksums quite nice. Though storage spaces doesn't seem as nice as FlexRaid for media storage (pooling with disk parity that's not striped).

Chkdsk didn't seem to find any issues with the drives, had to use WD Tools full scan to find any issues. Really want some sort of better warning when a drive is failing...

Ended up buying locally.
Both Amazon and Newegg go on about collecting customs for orders? WTF it's under the threshold! Unsure if they'll actually charge it or exactly how that works?! Shipping from both was quite reasonable ~$20 for 2x drives. While YouShop you run the risk of them arriving in a big empty box and paying quite a bit to have it forwarded.


Newegg are pretty bad for collecting customs fees if you even come close to the limit. They also ignore any questions you ask about it.



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  # 1316392 2-Jun-2015 18:09
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badbadmonkey: Where did you end up buying locally.

YouShop are supposed to repack overlarge boxes. They charge $4.50 for it and only do it if you would save $4.50+ on the postage cost.
https://www.nzpost.co.nz/tools/youshop/youshop-pricing/additional-youshop-fees

Did you take the Amazon or NewEgg items through to check out? As you say they shouldn't be charging any prepaid tax if it's under the threshold. And I'd certainly rather be taking a punt even on items over the threshold, that customs won't bother looking at it.


http://www.pcforce.co.nz/
Haven't bought from them before but feedback on Pricespy looks very good.

Yes took all the way though checkout just before payment. "Order total" included customs/tax, and no option to remove it. (US$250 so ~NZ$350, far enough away from the $400 threshold to be sure it's safe. Or even if you paid in NZD.)

I just wonder exactly how it works.

 

     

  1. Do they bill the customers? Or just preauth?
  2. If they bill it do they just pay 15% so you end up paying even if under threshold?
  3. If it's under threshold do they refund the amount? Or keep the amount for themselves?

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