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Topic # 22605 2-Jun-2008 15:18
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Which is strange for me because I normally build my own, but it was a good price $1699 (with LCD) from Noel Leeming.
Its got pretty decent specs, an Athlon X2 5600 cpu, 780G chipset with ati HD3200 onboard and a HD3450 pci-x card which you can run in crossfire,
3 gigs of Ram, 500gig WD sata drive, Vista home Premium.
I instantly voided my warranty by removing the side panel (shock horror). The case itself is well made, all the edges are well rounded and seems solid. The mainboard looks like an AMD oem board, Ram has acer stickers but generic I guess. The actual cabling isn't very tidy but it'll do. Heaps of space for extra drives even tho this is a mini-tower, and all drives are tool-less including the pci-slot panels.
To my surprise there is a Tv card installed, its a Win-tv something, DVB-T anyway with remote control, receiver and ir blasters.
Another surprise is the inclusion of a 56k pci modem. People still on dial-up? Removed and replaced with my Nova-s plus card.
Yet another surprise. A 250W psu. Pathetic, come on Acer. I'd be afraid of installing anything more into the case without a psu upgrade.
Noise levels are pretty good, the Vid card is fanless, and only one 12cm exhaust fan of average quality. The cpu hsf isn't the same thing you get with AMD boxed cpu's, does the job 'tho.
System comes with wireless keyboard and mouse (even batteries included). Great, except the usb receiver doesn't work. It rattles 'tho. Luckily I've got a wired kb and spare mouse, because I've booted the machine and its waiting for some input. Vista asks some basic questions, and then the pc churns away for another 20 minutes or so. I guess these oem versions are 'mostly' installed at the factory and then finalised on first boot from the customer.
So far so good. I've got a desktop. A program is asking me to make an immediate system restore dvd. I do because this system doesn't come with a single disk.
In fact there is nothing in the way of documentation apart from a couple of pages talking about switching on and off the pc. I thought there might be documentation installed but I sure cant find it.
I think I spent almost an hour un-installing everything I didn't want, and finally had a useable pc.
After all that I'm not sure if its quicker to build a pc and get it up and running or buy a retail pc. Cost wise you probably couldn't build a pc like this with Vista and 22" screen much cheaper.

The big mistake.

I opted out of the supplied 19" acer LCD and went with the Samsung 22" 226bw. If anyone is looking at Samsung panels I'd avoid them. My cheapie AOC 22" has far superior display quality, much more control over settings, and little or no backlight bleed.
The Samsung has terrible viewing angles (if you sit the monitor up above eye-level slightly the picture all but vanishes). The backlight bleed at the top and bottom of the screen is distracting if you want to watch a movie. The screen goes from 'dull' at lower bright/contrast settings to 'washed-out' at higher settings. I've spent half hour or so trying to get the best I can out of it, and reducing the overpowering reds. Its better, but really disappointing. LG and Asus and even Aoc seem to be the way to go.
To add insult to injury when you turn the pc off the monitor shuts off (as it should). But then an incandecent blue light flashes non stop, just to remind you it's in standby.

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  Reply # 135375 4-Jun-2008 08:25
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Vorbis:

I opted out of the supplied 19" acer LCD and went with the Samsung 22" 226bw. If anyone is looking at Samsung panels I'd avoid them. My cheapie AOC 22" has far superior display quality, much more control over settings, and little or no backlight bleed.
The Samsung has terrible viewing angles (if you sit the monitor up above eye-level slightly the picture all but vanishes). The backlight bleed at the top and bottom of the screen is distracting if you want to watch a movie. The screen goes from 'dull' at lower bright/contrast settings to 'washed-out' at higher settings. I've spent half hour or so trying to get the best I can out of it, and reducing the overpowering reds. Its better, but really disappointing. LG and Asus and even Aoc seem to be the way to go.
To add insult to injury when you turn the pc off the monitor shuts off (as it should). But then an incandecent blue light flashes non stop, just to remind you it's in standby.


I know quite a few people who have purchased that model monitor and they cant talk highly enough of it. There was a bad batch of them however where they were using cheaper panels or something. Whats the manufacture date on your one ? If its an early release, then take it back and get a newer one.

Monitors are funny things though.... Ive got 2x 19" WS in front of me right now, and although theyre both the same age, similar specs etc, you can defintely tell the difference. I prefer the Philips over the Viewsonic, but others would go the other way.

Each to their own.




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  Reply # 135392 4-Jun-2008 09:37
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Is this the model that Ingram and others were pushing hard a wee while ago?

I think I had this unit at Gen-i, now a colleague has it. Loved it to bits - great screen, very clear, great definition, good colour (not 'great', but 'good').

Would happily buy one again (in fact may do for my new office soon).




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  Reply # 135394 4-Jun-2008 09:52
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My 226bw pwns! Is honestly the best monitor I've ever had with it's deep, rich colours. It sounds like you've got one of the poorer "A" panels. You can check it by following these instructions:
http://www.behardware.com/articles/667-1/samsung-226bw-a-and-s-series-the-verdict.html

There is also some good information about optimising your "A" panel in this link which apparently makes it looks pretty decent.

I believe that newer 226bw Samsungs have the better panels so you may have been given old stock. For anyone wanting to avoid this I'd recommend purchasing the Samsung 22" 2232BW instead.




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  Reply # 135520 4-Jun-2008 19:29
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Looks like an A panel, according to research the samsung or 's' panels are great, but its a total lottery as to which one you get. Guess I was unlucky, I've followed some hints in some articles about this monitor, picture quality/colour has improved a heap. Nothing I can do about the anoying backlight bleed, which my cheaper AOC didn't suffer from.
At least I'll have an excuse in a few months to upgrade to a 24" HD monitor :)

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  Reply # 135606 5-Jun-2008 09:01
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When did you buy it ? Take it back.
Samsung were advising customers to do this when the original panel faults came to light (no pun intended) and they released the newer panels.




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  Reply # 135634 5-Jun-2008 10:48
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Vorbis: Which is strange for me because I normally build my own, but it was a good price $1699 (with LCD) from Noel Leeming.


Dude, you could'a got a Dell! Money mouth

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  Reply # 135755 5-Jun-2008 19:42
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Vorbis: A 250W psu. Pathetic, come on Acer. I'd be afraid of installing anything more into the case without a psu upgrade.
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Pathetic? When your not ment to be installing other components anyways? More importantly what Brand of PSU is it? And is it an 80+ unit?

Non 80+ units are only energy efficent when driven close to their maximum. So no point throwing in a 400w when the system only needs 200.



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  Reply # 136048 6-Jun-2008 19:31
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You have a good point, but I still believe in 'giving the customer a little more than the barest minimum possible to make the thing power up'.  I have no chinese language support on my pc, so can't tell you what brand PSU. :)

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