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#268107 28-Feb-2020 12:35
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I've seen a few other similar threads, and keen to take advantage of the collective wisdom of this parish.

 

 

This is intended to be a higher-end daily driver for various desktop tasks. In practice, that seems to be fairly similar to a low end gaming PC. I am a heavy user of the Microsoft Office suite, and an extremely heavy user of Chrome browser tabs.* I also dabble in coding (learner), CAD (DIY home workshop, 3D printing, and CNC routing). Every now and then there is home movie/home photo editing or knocking up a Publisher document or similar.

 

 

While I would like to game more, that isn't going to happen with this build (and in the unlikely event something happens to gaming viable, I have a good 30-odd retro/classic games purchased and never downloaded waiting on GOG. And describing something as retro/classic when it dates from the 2000s makes me feel old).

 

 

As per another one of my threads, I'm targeting driving two QHD/1440p monitor (aiming for Freesync monitors)

 

 

Current build (pricing all PBtech full price, will likely wait for sales and aiming pick it up at least some items for a little less than this):

 

 

     

  • AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6 Core,12 Threads - $308.99
  • ASRock B450M Steel Legend mATX motherboard - $175.00 (per yet another thread, I know I might need a BIOS upgrade to support the 3rd gen CPU)
  • G.SKILL Trident Z RGB F4-3200C16D-32GTZR 32GB RAM (2 x 16GB) DDR4 3200Mhz - $339.00
  • Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB M.2 (2280),NVMe SSD - $182.85
  • ASRock RX 570 Phantom Gaming D 4GB graphics card - $251.85
  • Cooler Master Silencio S400 Silent MATX Mini Tower Case for mATX - $148.35 
  • Cooler Master MWE Gold 650W 80Plus Gold Full Modular Power Supply - $164.94
  • Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition CPU Cooler - $74.75 
  • Microsoft Windows Professional 10 64bit OEM - $251.85 

 

Total is $1,900 (at full price). I was hoping to spend a little bit less than this, but may achieve that if sale pricing is okay. But would rather spend more to get good value - hard limit is about $2K for this, monitors will be extra. I have a nice keyboard and mouse that will transition across. I also have a NAS for storage of bigger files, videos etc. My current main notebook is 256 GB and haven't even come close to filling this.

 

 

This is my first build from scratch (always wanted to do it, never quite had the courage, time or budget, then got subsumed in a series of notebooks). Also the first time in at least 20 years that I've specified something other than Intel. It's a brave new world!

 

 

 

 

 

* My browsing style is essentially that of a hydra. I read a page, opening every link that looks interesting/relevant in a new tab. Each page I read spawns a multitude of other tabs. Those tabs stay open until read. And when things get a bit ridiculous, I make it worse by opening a new Chrome window and repeating. On days where I work on a few different work and personal projects, it wouldn't be uncommon for me to have half a dozen tabs open on each of various work, coding, CAD, Linux bash 101 commands, and DIY topics. I frequently have 50+ tabs open simultaneously - not necessarily using all those concurrently, but more "to come back to this later". It is a terrible habit, but not one that is likely to be broken easily.

 

 

32GB would seem to be an extravagence in an otherwise relatively modest buyild, but it is more feeding my tab habit.


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  #2428817 28-Feb-2020 13:33
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18/10!

 

[I have no idea how to build PCs, I just gave you two points for every bullet point]




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  #2428820 28-Feb-2020 13:39
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It wouldn't take much to make this into a pretty kickass gaming PC to be honest, if you so desired, but that would require some additional budget toward graphics. 

 

This is pretty similar to what I am looking at myself for the office, though I am probably going to stump for the 3700x


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  #2428838 28-Feb-2020 14:23
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That’s a pretty good list I’d personally drop the m.2 for the crucial P1, the extra speed from the evo you won’t notice in real world I’d remove the cpu cooler unless you’re wanting to OC the cpu and maybe upgrade the gpu to a 1660 super or RX 5700 if budget can fit.

As for tabs, 16gb is plenty much



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  #2428842 28-Feb-2020 14:32
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Dial111: That’s a pretty good list I’d personally drop the m.2 for the crucial P1, the extra speed from the evo you won’t notice in real world I’d remove the cpu cooler unless you’re wanting to OC the cpu and maybe upgrade the gpu to a 1660 super or RX 5700 if budget can fit.

As for tabs, 16gb is plenty much

 

Couldn't disagree enough with the 16gb for Chrome. I regularly am using well in excess of 20GB in Chrome alone. If you have a lot of tabs open and leave them open the Sky is the limit.

 

 


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  #2428844 28-Feb-2020 14:33
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3600 or 3600X ? Id go for the X

 

If interested in gaming, go for 8GB video, 580 or better.

 

CPU cooler - not needed if getting 3600X, supplied does fine long as you have decent case cooling.

 

Modular PSU - if youre particular about how your PC looks, fine, otherwise go for standard.

 

16GB would be fine IMHO, but if 32GB is in your head, go for it :)

 

 

 

Just my 2c....

 

 





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  #2428897 28-Feb-2020 15:04
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networkn:

Dial111: That’s a pretty good list I’d personally drop the m.2 for the crucial P1, the extra speed from the evo you won’t notice in real world I’d remove the cpu cooler unless you’re wanting to OC the cpu and maybe upgrade the gpu to a 1660 super or RX 5700 if budget can fit.

As for tabs, 16gb is plenty much


Couldn't disagree enough with the 16gb for Chrome. I regularly am using well in excess of 20GB in Chrome alone. If you have a lot of tabs open and leave them open the Sky is the limit.


 



Well feel free to disagree all you like, I tested on my wife’s 16gb system and my 32gb system, the former had no issues with 55 tabs open. I lost what was what after 20 tabs as they were so small.

 
 
 

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  #2428907 28-Feb-2020 15:26
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Yeah we have users on 8GB with multiple tabs open and dont have issues.......  running some extensions there by any chance ? ;)

 

 





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  #2428931 28-Feb-2020 16:07
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networkn:

 

Dial111: That’s a pretty good list I’d personally drop the m.2 for the crucial P1, the extra speed from the evo you won’t notice in real world I’d remove the cpu cooler unless you’re wanting to OC the cpu and maybe upgrade the gpu to a 1660 super or RX 5700 if budget can fit.

As for tabs, 16gb is plenty much

 

Couldn't disagree enough with the 16gb for Chrome. I regularly am using well in excess of 20GB in Chrome alone. If you have a lot of tabs open and leave them open the Sky is the limit.

 

 

 

 

you have a problem or something is not right in your setup

 

i just opened 35 tabs of various sorts (video, streaming, forums and news) and it didnt even top 3gb, how you got 20gb i dont know.

 

most ive seen in firefox was about 6gb


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  #2428933 28-Feb-2020 16:12
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xpd:

 

3600 or 3600X ? Id go for the X

 

 

$66 price difference for 200mhz, not worth it IMO. would be worth it if it was for 2 extra cores

 

Will the cooler you have selected fit in your case?

 

MSI B450 Tomahawk Max is known to work with 3rd gen ryzen and a lot of youtube builders use it for the B450 systems

 

and defiantly a minimum of 6GB of ram for a gfx card


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  #2428937 28-Feb-2020 16:27
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Ok, double hitter points here:

 

  • Why mATX, you haven't mentioned any expansion cards?
  • You should try out the chrome extension OneTab - it'll help you workaround any memory limit, and beyond that it's very useful

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  #2428938 28-Feb-2020 16:29
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Jase2985:

 

you have a problem or something is not right in your setup

 

i just opened 35 tabs of various sorts (video, streaming, forums and news) and it didnt even top 3gb, how you got 20gb i dont know.

 

most ive seen in firefox was about 6gb

 

 

 

 

Was that in chrome or firefox? 

 

I find chrome can be a bit of a memory hog when you have a lot of tabs open for extended periods. Just gradually seems to creep up.  Depends what's open as well - poorly written enterprise-y javascript SPAs can be worse than just opening 35 instances of google, youtube and netflix (which are all highly optimised)

 

 

 

EDIT: Sorry OP, totally OT - but your build looks like pretty good bang-for-buck. Nice :)





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  #2428945 28-Feb-2020 16:39
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Cheers all, that is all really helpful!

On the 3600 vs 3600X, I was persuaded that it was a limited upgrade so not worth much. That said, $66 for a CPU cooler on its own is probably not bad value and one less thing for me to get wrong on the way. My initial build also had the 3700 (which by general internet consensus seems to be best bang for buck) but decided the extra ~$200 wasn't necessary. Ryzen chips don't seem to be on sale this weekend; current plan is to pick things up as they are well priced.

On the RAM, I currently (usually) get by with 8GB. I decided 16GB was my minimum for the new one, but think I can manage one luxury/overkill purchase. Open to alternative thoughts if the extra ~$150 to go from 16 to 32 is better spent elsewhere.

Bit torn on graphics. I wanted to go with a Radeon card for Freesync - which I probably don't need, but prefer supporting an open standard. I can't seem to find anything in the RX570/580 with 8GB currently available. Appreciate some of the cards suggested are a fair step up, but are also 2-3 times the price. I might be talking complete nonsense here; no gaming + exclusively notebooks for years has meant that it has been a _long_ time since I paid any attention to graphics card technologies.

Appreciate the heads up regarding motherboards. I was aiming for a smaller (less bling / no RGB) build, but can't really get what I want in ITX so was happy with mATX. I have asked Pbtech about the ASRock one (which seems to review very highly) but haven't heard back yet. That might be one I visit in store and see if I can see the sticker saying it already has the newer BIOS.

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  #2428946 28-Feb-2020 16:44
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Typing and missed a post.

Re mATX:

- I am aiming for for sleek and subtle, rather than blood-and-thunder in-your-face RGB and a tower taller than I am. I started out thinking I would do an ITX build, but couldn't get what I wanted and a price I was willing to pay.

- I am fairly confident (I think - tell me if I'm wrong) I won't have any expansion cards beyond and single M2 (or perhaps 2.5 SSD) and my likely modest graphics card.

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  #2428956 28-Feb-2020 16:45
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sidefx:

 

Was that in chrome or firefox? 

 

 

chrome


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  #2429035 28-Feb-2020 19:31
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Jase2985:

 

xpd:

 

3600 or 3600X ? Id go for the X

 

 

$66 price difference for 200mhz, not worth it IMO. would be worth it if it was for 2 extra cores

 

 

It seems that the X versions are a bit of a marketing ploy, AMD include a better cooler with the X's and drive them a little harder, if you put a decent cooler on a non-X then you can crank it up a bit.

 

I brought a 3600X before I read that...


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