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#272337 20-Jun-2020 14:08
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I've been running a Synology DS212j for about 8 years with two WD Red 3GB drives in Raid 1.


In addition to Raid, I separately back up to an external USB.


I'm now getting a message that drive status is abnormal and that one of my drives is failing.


Because I am running Raid 1, my assumption is that when/if the drive fully fails, the remaining drive should not be affected, correct?


Should I remove the failing drive now and just run a single drive with back up, or keep using the failing drive until it dies?


My intention is to keep using the NAS with a single drive (plus back up) for the foreseeable. I would like a new Synology, but at around $1,400 with new drives I am not sure I will get enough use to warrant that amount of expenditure.


 


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  #2508740 20-Jun-2020 14:12
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RAID 1 will provide redundancy should the other drive fail, but why risk it?

 

It's entirely up to you if you should wait or not. At the first hint of a problem, I will replace my drives. That includes buying a new drive while I wait for a warranty replacement. If the replacement drive isn't completely new, I also treat it as suspect and never use it for anything critical.


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  #2508743 20-Jun-2020 14:22
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What really annoys me with all these raid 1 boxes, is that there is no way to add the additional drive without removing the failing drive. At the point you pull something that is failing out, you have lost all redundancy and any failure on the other drive will mean data loss. I will generally make a new array at the time of a failure and then duplicate everything over to the new array, once its there and critical stuff has checked out ok I delete the old array and retire the failed drive and the non failed one goes in a pile of drives to use if needed.





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  #2509049 21-Jun-2020 09:46
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Do you know which model of WD 3TB Red drive you are using?

 

 




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  #2509054 21-Jun-2020 09:55
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jpoc:

 

Do you know which model of WD 3TB Red drive you are using?

 

 

No, sorry. All I remember is they are WD Red (I haven't touched them for close on 8 years). 


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  #2509059 21-Jun-2020 10:20
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dafman:

 

jpoc:

 

Do you know which model of WD 3TB Red drive you are using?

 

 

No, sorry. All I remember is they are WD Red (I haven't touched them for close on 8 years). 

 

 

In DSM under Information > Storage it will list the models of drive installed.

 

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  #2509064 21-Jun-2020 10:40
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cyril7:

 

In DSM under Information > Storage it will list the models of drive installed.

 

Cyril

 

 

Ah, this is it ... WD30EFRX-68AX9N0 


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  #2509136 21-Jun-2020 11:43
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I've had a couple of drives fail on my ds414+ over the years. Running default raid mirroring.

Both times I just backed up to external drive, pulled the failing drive, inserted a new drive on same size. Booted at click repair volume or similar and away it goes.
Pretty painless.

Earlier this year the 3TVb drives were 85% full so i bought 6tb. Backed up shut down pulled one of the small drives inserted the 6tbsp and repaired the volume as above. Then shut down removed the other 3tbsp drive inserted second 6tbsp and repaired. Still have those 3tbsp drives in garage which act as a snapshot backup.

 
 
 
 


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  #2509409 22-Jun-2020 07:10
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Given the symptoms that you report and the age of the drives, I would make some comments:

 

You have two drives of identical age and very similar use profile.

 

One is beginning to fail and the nature of the failure appears to be related to the age and the use profile of the drive.

 

You should consider that the condition of the second drive is best described as 'about to show signs of failure.'

 

 


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  #2509479 22-Jun-2020 10:02
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dafman:

 

Because I am running Raid 1, my assumption is that when/if the drive fully fails, the remaining drive should not be affected, correct?

 

 

In theory yes

 

In real life, not allways . You can be left with 2 corupted drives if one fails (seen it happen) .

 

You are backing up to USB, so unless the data is so critical that you cant take any risks .......


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  #2509845 22-Jun-2020 15:42
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First off - Good on you! - for doing backups!
So many people have the false idea that raid is a backup (which it definitely is NOT)

I agree with jpoc.

You have had a great run out of those drives
(I personally replace drives around the 5yr mark to reduce my chance of failures. )

I'd be backing that data up via USB ASAP - & replacing both those old 3TB with 1 x 4Tb (best cost/size at the moment)

Leaving it thrashing a failing drive - adds significant loading to your NAS (error correction /checking, bad block remapping etc) & from what I've seen in the past does open you up to a randomly corrupted/failed RAID.



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  #2509862 22-Jun-2020 16:06
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concordnz: First off - Good on you! - for doing backups!
So many people have the false idea that raid is a backup (which it definitely is NOT)

I agree with jpoc.

You have had a great run out of those drives
(I personally replace drives around the 5yr mark to reduce my chance of failures. )

I'd be backing that data up via USB ASAP - & replacing both those old 3TB with 1 x 4Tb (best cost/size at the moment)

Leaving it thrashing a failing drive - adds significant loading to your NAS (error correction /checking, bad block remapping etc) & from what I've seen in the past does open you up to a randomly corrupted/failed RAID.

 

Thanks everyone for feedback.

 

One option I am thinking of is to purchase a 6TB to replace the failing drive - ie. continue running the Raid with 1 x 6TB and 1 x 3 TB. Or, for efficiency, would I be best to ditch both 3 TB drives and just run the single 6TB on it's own and continue with regular back up?

 

My thinking is that the 6TB will eventually go into a new Synology NAS in due course. I'm not sure if the DS 212j can take a 6TB drive, official specs say no but user feedback on the net seems to say its ok.

 

A more general question - I'm beginning to question the benefit of raid in addition to regular back up? If I back up regularly, is the argument for maintaining a raid less compelling?


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  #2509885 22-Jun-2020 16:32
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dafman:

 

My thinking is that the 6TB will eventually go into a new Synology NAS in due course. I'm not sure if the DS 212j can take a 6TB drive, official specs say no but user feedback on the net seems to say its ok.

 

 

It should be fine in most cases. Depending on the RAID model and hard drive, you may need to modify the retention bracket due to larger drives dropping some of the screw holes to make room for more platters.

 

As for the configuration, I'd keep the RAID and regular backups.

 

 


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  #2509926 22-Jun-2020 18:19
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Raid lets you keep going with a drive failure. Everything doesn't grind to a halt till you get new hardware and restore your backup. If you don't need to ensure continuous access to the data then the drive and 2 backups might be a better use of 3 drives. Depends on how often it changes and how much you would lose and how much you care about that loss.

For video and pictures I take I keep the SD cards around till the lot has backed up off the PC to crashplan and Google drive for photos. So if the PC dies in the meantime no biggie because I still have the SD cards.




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  #2515694 1-Jul-2020 15:01
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Ok, I've decided to remove the failing drive and keep the NAS running with a single drive with external back up.

 

So, I want to move from: '2 disks, Raid 1' to '1 disk, Raid 0'

 

Can anyone advise on process to achieve this? I've had a look online, but can't see where someone has gone from two to one drive, all examples I see are for replacing and maintaining the number of drives.

 

This is a short / medium term option as I consider the cost benefit of purchasing a new DS 220 when released in NZ.


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  #2517355 4-Jul-2020 21:11
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dafman:

 

Ok, I've decided to remove the failing drive and keep the NAS running with a single drive with external back up.

 

So, I want to move from: '2 disks, Raid 1' to '1 disk, Raid 0'

 

Can anyone advise on process to achieve this? I've had a look online, but can't see where someone has gone from two to one drive, all examples I see are for replacing and maintaining the number of drives.

 

This is a short / medium term option as I consider the cost benefit of purchasing a new DS 220 when released in NZ.

 

 

Just do your backup to the external drive, don't do anything like pull drives out, just keep an eye on it while you work out on buying a replacement NAS, fiddling will likely result in worse things happening :-)

 

Also RAID-0 is not "RAID with a single drive", it's a totally different layout, provide no resiliency at all and needs a minimum of two drives to create anyway.


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