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#272806 17-Jul-2020 00:05
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Hey guys just wondering if anybody was part of the demonstration for this. I can remember it happening but was not able to attend. Would love to have gone and agree with why it was done.

 

Does it still hold true today that you cannot get a pc without windows installed unless you go to a computer place and get a build done.

 

Have no idea what I am talking about you can brush up on the story here.

 

http://marc.merlins.org/linux/refundday/#:~:text=Introduction,with%20the%20machine%20they%20bought.

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  #2524483 17-Jul-2020 05:40
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There are lots of PC's that don't come with an OS. One prime example is Intel NUCs.

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  #2524496 17-Jul-2020 07:41
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It is still true for the mainstream brands although some offer the choice of Linux but one has to dig deep into their web site. Dell for example offers Ubuntu on a small number of models but your have to go searching through the developer section.

 

You can find some naked PCs but again one has to go hunting deep in the jungle and as sbiddle said above Intels NUCs can come naked but I certainly wouldn't describe it as "lots of PCs". 





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  #2524542 17-Jul-2020 09:32
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Do Chromebooks count?

 

Much trickier these days I think as the factory built systems all seem to have the Windows license keys in the BIOS/Firmware.


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  #2524562 17-Jul-2020 09:41
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CYaBro:

 

Do Chromebooks count?

 

Much trickier these days I think as the factory built systems all seem to have the Windows license keys in the BIOS/Firmware.

 

 

Yes they do unless it's a machine running Neverware. Native Chromebooks are chip locked to only run Chrome OS or Linux via crustini or Linux Apps.





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  #2524564 17-Jul-2020 09:50
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I remember this nonsense
A few people honestly trying to get a refund for Unwanted OEM licence  . I dont recall anyone having any success

 

Plenty of PC's available without a Win OEM lic. Any NZ assembler will sell a bare PC with no Win lic
As above, Dell have been doing this for some time , some corporates dont want the OEM Win Lic (they have their own licenses)

One of the big PC markets is retail sales . Hardly anyone goes to Noel Lemming & asks for a bare PC/notebook with no Win
If there was a bigger market for it , the major PC manufacturers would offer it to the public

 

 


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  #2524814 17-Jul-2020 15:37
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As above, Dell have been doing this for some time , some corporates dont want the OEM Win Lic (they have their own licenses)

 

 

Be interesting to see how that works, because some (possibly all) of the MS Volume Licensing offers have terms that require you to have an existing license (e.g. they are basically sold as an upgrade to Enterprise from Pro/Home). Where's one of the current/former MS guys on here when you need one :-)





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  #2524834 17-Jul-2020 16:11
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I watched a doco on this a few weeks back on YouTube sure was interesting and a bit of a laugh


 
 
 
 


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  #2524880 17-Jul-2020 17:45
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is this kind of like how the recent class action court case against apple in the US netted each person who was eligible and able to provide all of the information a whopping $25 for what seemed like weeks of work and still being able to present the phone model in question as being in use


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  #2525394 19-Jul-2020 04:28
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JaseNZ:

 

Hey guys just wondering if anybody was part of the demonstration for this. I can remember it happening but was not able to attend. Would love to have gone and agree with why it was done.

 

Does it still hold true today that you cannot get a pc without windows installed unless you go to a computer place and get a build done.

 

Have no idea what I am talking about you can brush up on the story here.

 

http://marc.merlins.org/linux/refundday/#:~:text=Introduction,with%20the%20machine%20they%20bought.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Heh, don't recall this however  I do remember the Antitrust case about a year later. I was living in USA then.

 

But, OEM vs VL vs Retail license. End users who buy off the shelf overpriced underspec'd machines from NL/HN are not the type to install an OS themselves. Can still get retail.

 

 

 

M$ OEM partners are bound tho by M$ as to which OS can be sold with new laptops/desktops.   Eg. when 10 came out new machines generally had to be sold with 10 installed. Although downgrade rights to W7 applied (for a time).


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