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#279629 29-Oct-2020 09:51

Arstechnica has a new article about Starlink pricing - (US) $500 up front and then $99 per month.

Data speeds - "... vary from 50Mbps to 150Mbps and latency from 20ms to 40ms".

They expect to have "near global coverage of the populated world by 2021".

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#2593109 29-Oct-2020 09:56

Pretty damn cool, and a reasonable price for those in the middle of nowhere, if you ask me.

Hopefully this makes its way to New Zealand in 2021.

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#2593145 29-Oct-2020 10:59

agreed, pricing is pretty good all things considered.

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#2593148 29-Oct-2020 11:04

I'm yet to see anything to say those prices will directly compare to the nz market, it does look pretty decent though.

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#2593149 29-Oct-2020 11:05

Do you get a $500 Kessler syndrome refund ?

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#2593151 29-Oct-2020 11:08

Fred99:

Do you get a $500 Kessler syndrome refund ?

No, just a free fireworks display.

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#2593155 29-Oct-2020 11:14

Friend of mine would be over the moon (no pun intended) if he could get those speeds from it - hes in bit of a dead zone for anything, so lives on an ADSL connection that fluctuates between 3/4Mbps. Soon as more than once device starts doing anything more than email, he can kiss his gaming goodbye ;)

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#2593179 29-Oct-2020 12:01

Saw this story about Starlink having a company and ground station in New Zealand.

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#2593193 29-Oct-2020 12:24

xpd:

Friend of mine would be over the moon (no pun intended) if he could get those speeds from it - hes in bit of a dead zone for anything, so lives on an ADSL connection that fluctuates between 3/4Mbps. Soon as more than once device starts doing anything more than email, he can kiss his gaming goodbye ;)

Have to be a bit careful there; they say no caps for now. But Starlink isn't magic: it's cell sites in space, and cell sites that are even less upgradeable and more expensive to replace than a normal one, for that matter. Just like a terrestrial network, the capacity is shared so they will have to have some way to manage demand otherwise the service eventually will just be rubbish for everyone. Ultimately that either means volume or speed caps.

How that relates to gaming ... well, RDR2 was a 110GB download. You're going rip through a volume cap real fast.

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#2593249 29-Oct-2020 13:01

SaltyNZ:

xpd:

Friend of mine would be over the moon (no pun intended) if he could get those speeds from it - hes in bit of a dead zone for anything, so lives on an ADSL connection that fluctuates between 3/4Mbps. Soon as more than once device starts doing anything more than email, he can kiss his gaming goodbye ;)

Have to be a bit careful there; they say no caps for now. But Starlink isn't magic: it's cell sites in space, and cell sites that are even less upgradeable and more expensive to replace than a normal one, for that matter. Just like a terrestrial network, the capacity is shared so they will have to have some way to manage demand otherwise the service eventually will just be rubbish for everyone. Ultimately that either means volume or speed caps.

How that relates to gaming ... well, RDR2 was a 110GB download. You're going rip through a volume cap real fast.

they are an US company, Unlimited over there is nothing like it is here.

I suspect if they land on those sorts of issues, comcom will be sniffing...

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#2593267 29-Oct-2020 13:33

My mum is planning to retire to her cabin in the arse end of nowhere the Marlborough Sounds within the next 12 months, this would hands down blow away any of the WISP or RBI offerings curently available to her.

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#2593268 29-Oct-2020 13:36

The big question is how much of a loss they're making on the service at that pricing (both hardware and monthly costs). You can't help but wonder if the business model at present is purely just to push the product leading up to the IPO...

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#2593281 29-Oct-2020 13:46

SaltyNZ: and cell sites that are even less upgradeable and more expensive to replace than a normal one

Plus there was something in the news recently around Starlink satellite failures. I only skim-read it but I think it said that a few hundred (!) of the satellites have already failed.

Edit: Found it. Fortunately I was misremembering.

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#2595819 1-Nov-2020 10:04

Starlink in NZ and Australia will be an additional revenue stream to the US / Canada operations. Their only additional costs will be the ground station kit and lease plus the interconnect to local internet. The customer dishes are probably at cost or below for now but will get cheaper as volume ramps up. The view in several of the comment sites like Ars Technica is Starlink is setting a minimum expectation on performance and price which should improve as rollout continues.

If they follow their North American model they will only be serving customers in rural areas so traffic density should be low. They will not compete with anyone who has fibre or VDSL. This will be a godsend to anyone living in the back blocks or even a mobile not spot. Might also be a great system for emergency services, e.g. rural fire services, which Starlink has already supported in one US state.

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#2595841 1-Nov-2020 10:52

SaltyNZ:

Have to be a bit careful there; they say no caps for now. But Starlink isn't magic: it's cell sites in space, and cell sites that are even less upgradeable and more expensive to replace than a normal one, for that matter. Just like a terrestrial network, the capacity is shared so they will have to have some way to manage demand otherwise the service eventually will just be rubbish for everyone. Ultimately that either means volume or speed caps.

How that relates to gaming ... well, RDR2 was a 110GB download. You're going rip through a volume cap real fast.

Just thinking out loud here.
Will Starlink have local connections to the internet, and if so, how will congestion work between different regions?
As an example, will users in remote NZ without fibre or VDSL connections have connections to a Starlink node in NZ, which will then connect them to the NZ internet? Or, will they be connected using the satellites to the US or elsewhere?
If it is an NZ uplink, then surely even a massive uptake of Starlink in (for example) North America and Asia would not have any appreciable impact on NZ's capacity or speed, as they are isolated from each other.

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#2595882 1-Nov-2020 12:59

Gurezaemon:

Just thinking out loud here.
Will Starlink have local connections to the internet, and if so, how will congestion work between different regions?
As an example, will users in remote NZ without fibre or VDSL connections have connections to a Starlink node in NZ, which will then connect them to the NZ internet? Or, will they be connected using the satellites to the US or elsewhere?
If it is an NZ uplink, then surely even a massive uptake of Starlink in (for example) North America and Asia would not have any appreciable impact on NZ's capacity or speed, as they are isolated from each other.

Starlink already have two ground station ("Gateway") sites registered in NZ, one near Cromwell and the other near Warkworth IIRC, so you can reckon that local Starlink users will have local Internet connectivity via those sites.

I agree, the performance experience of local NZ Starlink users will be completely independent of the North American / Asian load on the system.
We don't yet know whether Starlink will act as an NZ ISP, or whether they will just be a service provider to existing NZ ISP(s) who would then have a new and different service to offer users in rural remote and not-spot areas.
In the former case, the user performance experience will depend on how much backhaul "Starlink NZ" buys and how, where & with whom they choose to peer.
In the latter case, the UX should be the same as for the retail brand the customer buys.

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