Partial new build - Guidance/recommendations please

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#288418 27-Jun-2021 20:51

Hi all

My current system is giving me issues (outdated) and I am thinking to upgrade the motherboard, CPU, RAM.

Current system:

CPU: AMD FX-8350

Motherboard: M5a99fx pro 2.0

PSU : RM 850i corsair

RAM: 24GB

GPU : GTX 1080 TI

Tasks: Small Architecture projects, software : Revit/Archicad and Gaming (COD:MW, new battlefield)

The combo I was looking at from Computerlounge was

Option 1: https://www.computerlounge.co.nz/shop/components/processors/amd/amd-ryzen-5-5600x-16gb-ddr4-3600-memory-b550-aorus-elite-motherboard-u12s-combo

AMD Ryzen 5 5600X + 16GB DDR4-3600 Memory + ROG STRIX B550-F Gaming Motherboard + U12S Combo for $1129

My thinking was to upgrade me Motherboard on this combo so I can upgrade the CPU/GPU if necessary in the future. I have read that the motherboard can bottle neck the latests GPU's?

When I visited CL they recommended instead for $1500 budget (slighlty flexible)

Option 2

Ryzen 7 5800X- $739

NH-D15 CPU Cooler - $188

MSI MEG X570 UNIFY - $503

RAM AORUS 16GB (2x8) DDR4-3600 - $239

Total: $1669

Option 3

Ryzen 9 5900X- $969

NH-D15 CPU Cooler - $188

MSI MEG X570 UNIFY - $503

RAM AORUS 16GB (2x8) DDR4-3600 - $239

Total $1899

Reading the Ryzen 5 (older) reviews many recommended the 5600X over the Ryzen 7 (Bang for buck) and its capablity for my computer tasks.

I am a bit out of touch with the latest gear so I wanted to double check and get some guidance/recommendations please or if there is a completly difference setup recommended.

I would like to stick to $1500 budget unless if its a no brainer to upgrade now on certain components rather than later.

Thanks in advance :D!

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#2735499 27-Jun-2021 21:19

Is the CPU often a bottleneck? Can your software use 16 cores effectively and give you a meaningful speed-up? If so go for the faster CPU if you can afford it. I got the 5600X and I'm happy with it, but I don't do much that's CPU intensive.

Motherboard I got Gigabyte B550 AORUS PRO AX V2, works well. Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB M.2 SSD and G.SKILL Trident Z Neo RGB F4-3600C18D-16GTZN RAM work well too. Not a fan of the FRACTAL DESIGN Define R5 case, it vibrates and I had to put rubber in it to quiet it down. Can't help with GPU, I got a cheap one since I rarely use GPU much.

I had a Noctua cooler for years that was great for a decade, but I got a Noctua NH-U12S 120mm cooler and wasn't very happy with it. I replaced it with a Be Quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 from Amazon which is much, much quieter. Next time I build a PC I'll try to get everything from them - case fans, coolers, etc. I'm sensitive to noise though.

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#2735598 28-Jun-2021 08:16

Normally I'd be the first to jump on the Team Red train, but the prices don't seem to be that competitive at the moment, favoring Intel's admittedly less advanced lineup.

Unless there is some killer feature I have missed that the new 5th gen Ryzen CPUs have, or some particular feature you need for the Arch. programs, I'd be looking at something like this for circa the same price as the 5600x.

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#2735718 28-Jun-2021 12:37

Thanks

seems like the 11700K is good value when comparing benchmarks with only $100 more

https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/product/VW3gXL/intel-core-i7-11700k-36-ghz-8-core-processor-bx8070811700k

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-11700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X/4107vs4084

even comparing it to the 5950X it intel comes out on top

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-11700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-5950X/4107vs4086

why is it ranked so low? is there something I am missing as to why more are not recommending the intel over the Ryzen 9?

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#2735806 28-Jun-2021 13:55

Depends on the workload really, but in general, workloads like gaming will still prioritize single core speed over count, and Intel is still the king for outright speed unless I am horribly mistaken. Computing intensive/synthetic workloads may be able to make use of the 5950x's higher core count, whereas gaming workloads don't tend to scale well in multi-core scenarios. So unless your architecture apps show more cores translating into higher performance, higher single/multi core speed is most likely the better value-for-money.

Beyond a point, you are will get better returns putting money into graphics (although not right now if can help it though, the market is crazy) or faster storage. I'd look at adding a decent NVME drive to round off your budget.

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#2735816 28-Jun-2021 14:11

Userbenchmark is not a reliable source for comparing CPU's anymore.

Best to go and look at some of the youtubers such as Hardware Unboxed and Gamersnexus.

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#2735901 28-Jun-2021 16:33

ShinyChrome:

Depends on the workload really, but in general, workloads like gaming will still prioritize single core speed over count, and Intel is still the king for outright speed unless I am horribly mistaken.

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#2735905 28-Jun-2021 16:45

Revit is single core bound so going to higher core counts won't gain you a lot. Archicad seems more able to use multiple threads but is still somewhat single core bound.

At your price point I'd be looking at both Intel and AMD. Intel is competing on price more so you can often get a very competitively priced Intel rig. One benefit with Intel is you will often get Thunderbolt support on the mother board which may, or may not, be important to you. Price out the MOB+CPU though, the intel mother boards can be more expensive than the AMD ones.

If you go AMD stick with B550 motherboards unless you absolutely must have a feature that is offered by X570.

Check what memory speed is supported by your mother board so you don't waste money on fast ram that isn't supported by your motherboard. You do need to switch on the faster memory speed in BIOS otherwise it will default to a much lower speed.

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#2735906 28-Jun-2021 16:47

Huge fairly recent thread on Ryzen PC component selection here.

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#2736032 28-Jun-2021 20:33

Thanks all, a bit of research to do.

other question is, do I wait for a bit to see if the market changes with the news of the mining ban in China 😅

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#2736033 28-Jun-2021 20:36

Slasher:

Thanks all, a bit of research to do.

other question is, do I wait for a bit to see if the market changes with the news of the mining ban in China 😅

CPUs, MOBOs and RAM are all freely available and largely at MSRP or below. GPUs and consoles are a different story but I don't see CPUs etc prices moving.

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#2736276 29-Jun-2021 12:55

You have a decent GPU, i would keep that for a while...

Doing a RAM, CPU, Motherboard upgrade will get you a nice system improvement.

Wait for the GPU market shortages to stabilise and return to regular levels.