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#306428 21-Jul-2023 20:22

I am looking a building a gaming pc as a project with the kids. I was thinking of a ryzen 5000x CPU but reading a lot of blogs AMD5 CPUs, motherboards and DDR5 seem to be the way of the future. Is there much difference in performance between the Ryzen 5 7600x verses the Ryzen 7 7700x?

this is the rest of what I am thinking of getting , the other posts on gaming PCs have been fantastic to follow and learn from Cheers

MB MSI pro B650M or b65O Tomahawk
RAM Corsair vengeance RGB 32 DDR

CPU Ryzen 7700x or 7600?

Graphics card AMD 7600
samsung 980 pro SSD

Cooling -Lian Galahad 240mm AIO

RAM Corsair vengeance DDR5 32 GB
Tower Lian 216

power supply Corsair RM85O x gold modular

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#3106805 21-Jul-2023 20:44

You've not mentioned budget so it's hard to make any recommendations.

If I were building from scratch today (and set on AMD) I'd go AM5. Simply to allow for future upgrades.

That said a mid to high spec AM4 will be good for a while too. But it really does come down to use case and budget!

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#3106808 21-Jul-2023 20:49

whats is the machine being used for? what games are you intending to play and at what resolution?

unless you NEED the extra cores the 7600x will be fine and you can use the $160 for something else

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#3106809 21-Jul-2023 21:02

Unless you are going to overclock there is little point getting an AIO cooling system, if you get the Ryzen 7600 it comes with a perfectly serviceable cooler. Use the money saved there to get a better screen, a larger harddrive or a second one. Modern games eat a lot of space (~125GB for starfield, 150GB for Baldur's Gate 3, >60GB for Cyberpunk) 1 or 2 TB will quickly fill up.

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#3106810 21-Jul-2023 21:14

I just upgraded my desktop after running a AMD Phenom for about 10 years. About 3 years of that it was switched off.

Went for Ryzen 7 5700X, 32GB DDR4, Gigabyte X570S AERO, and the same SSD as you. Stuck with my old RX5500XT as I don't game. It's crazy crazy fast!

Thought about going for AM5 etc but figured by the time I upgrade next, there will be some new SSD connector or GFX slot that will require a major upgrade at a later date anyway. How much noticeable gain will you really notice from going AM5?

I'd put the $$$ saved towards a better GFX if you're into gaming, or better monitor/s.

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#3106811 21-Jul-2023 21:23

insane: I just upgraded my desktop after running a AMD Phenom for about 10 years. About 3 years of that it was switched off.

Went for Ryzen 7 5700X, 32GB DDR4 and the same SSD as you. Stuck with my old RX5500XT as I don't game. It's crazy crazy fast!

Thought about going for AM5 etc but figured by the time I upgrade next, there will be some new SSD connector or GFX slot that will require a major upgrade at a later date anyway. How much noticeable gain will you really notice from going AM5?

I'd put the $$$ saved towards a better GFX if you're into gaming, or better monitor/s.

Nice - i moved on the machine from a 5800A10 (2013!) to a 5700X+64GB X570.

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#3106812 21-Jul-2023 21:26

Jase2985:

whats is the machine being used for? what games are you intending to play and at what resolution?

unless you NEED the extra cores the 7600x will be fine and you can use the $160 for something else

I am not sure probably , red dead redemption , forza , starfeild, Halo , last of us. I think I need to spend more on the graphics card . If I get the 7600 then I could look at a better graphics card

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#3106813 21-Jul-2023 21:28

insane: I just upgraded my desktop after running a AMD Phenom for about 10 years. About 3 years of that it was switched off.

Went for Ryzen 7 5700X, 32GB DDR4, Gigabyte X570S AERO, and the same SSD as you. Stuck with my old RX5500XT as I don't game. It's crazy crazy fast!

Thought about going for AM5 etc but figured by the time I upgrade next, there will be some new SSD connector or GFX slot that will require a major upgrade at a later date anyway. How much noticeable gain will you really notice from going AM5?

I'd put the $$$ saved towards a better GFX if you're into gaming, or better monitor/s.

I need to look at a better graphics card , my son gets one part per month to add so might be lucky with Black Friday sales

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#3106814 21-Jul-2023 21:29

nzkc: You've not mentioned budget so it's hard to make any recommendations.

If I were building from scratch today (and set on AMD) I'd go AM5. Simply to allow for future upgrades.

That said a mid to high spec AM4 will be good for a while too. But it really does come down to use case and budget!

There are a lot of recommendations go for AM5 for new build and AM4 if upgrading. Probably could spend around 2800

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#3106820 21-Jul-2023 22:11

Stu1:

There are a lot of recommendations go for AM5 for new build and AM4 if upgrading. Probably could spend around 2800

There is still value in going AM4 imo.

Especially while it is still in supply and cheap.

Example if you got the RX 7600 GPU the difference between benchmarks between the 5600x and 7600x is about 1% difference in frame rates

https://www.gpucheck.com/en-usd/compare/amd-radeon-rx-7600-vs-amd-radeon-rx-7600/amd-ryzen-5-5600x-vs-amd-ryzen-5-7600x/ultra/ultra/-vs-

and 0% between the 7600x and 7700x because the GPU is the bottleneck.

https://www.gpucheck.com/en-usd/compare/amd-radeon-rx-7600-vs-amd-radeon-rx-7600/amd-ryzen-7-7700x-vs-amd-ryzen-5-7600x/ultra/ultra/-vs-

Honestly if you are going to go for the RX 7600 GPU, you don't need a high end CPU if you are only gaming.

Don't get me wrong it is a good GPU but it will be the bottleneck before the CPU is.

I would still go for AM4 for cost savings, but that is because I only upgrade once every so often, aka I am running a (ex-lease) i7 from the 8th generation and intel is on the 13th gen.

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#3106821 21-Jul-2023 22:18

Qazzy03:

Stu1:

There are a lot of recommendations go for AM5 for new build and AM4 if upgrading. Probably could spend around 2800

There is still value in going AM4 imo.

Especially while it is still in supply and cheap.

Example if you got the RX 7600 GPU the difference between benchmarks between the 5600x and 7600x is about 1% difference in frame rates

https://www.gpucheck.com/en-usd/compare/amd-radeon-rx-7600-vs-amd-radeon-rx-7600/amd-ryzen-5-5600x-vs-amd-ryzen-5-7600x/ultra/ultra/-vs-

and 0% between the 7600x and 7700x because the GPU is the bottleneck.

https://www.gpucheck.com/en-usd/compare/amd-radeon-rx-7600-vs-amd-radeon-rx-7600/amd-ryzen-7-7700x-vs-amd-ryzen-5-7600x/ultra/ultra/-vs-

Honestly if you are going to go for the RX 7600 GPU, you don't need a high end CPU if you are only gaming.

Don't get me wrong it is a good GPU but it will be the bottleneck before the CPU is.

I would still go for AM4 for cost savings, but that is because I only upgrade once every so often, aka I am running a (ex-lease) i7 from the 8th generation and intel is on the 13th gen.

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#3106823 21-Jul-2023 22:20

Stu1:

Thank you really appreciate the links will have a good read

If you want to play around with the website,

https://www.gpucheck.com/gpu-benchmark-comparison

Add in CPU, GPU and what type of quality settings you want games to run at and it will give pretty good estimates.

Doesn't have every combo but it gives a a good range.

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#3106824 21-Jul-2023 23:44

As others have said the x600 series is always the value play in AMD world. There can be benefits to more cores but for gaming it’s generally less than productivity.

Have a look at the price difference between the 7600X and the 7600 when you buy. You can usually easily overclock the 7600 to 7600X levels of performance. The X parts rarely make sense to buy.

Take that money and put it into the GPU. If you want an AMD GPU take a good look at the 6700XT, 6800 and 6800XT. They are really great value and with a 7600 will give great gaming performance.

I run a Ryzen 5600 with a Radeon 6800XT and it screams for 1440P gaming. If I was building new I’d go AM5 as you’ll have an upgrade path for a number of years.

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#3106835 22-Jul-2023 08:24

As others have said the GPU is the weak point at the moment, ideally you want to move up a class if you can.

the issue at the moment with AMD Radeon is there isnt a 7700, 7800 or 7800xt GPU its 7600 then 7900 so a massive gap in the products and price which makes it hard looking at AMD Cards.

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#3106838 22-Jul-2023 08:46

Jase2985:

As others have said the GPU is the weak point at the moment, ideally you want to move up a class if you can.

the issue at the moment with AMD Radeon is there isnt a 7700, 7800 or 7800xt GPU its 7600 then 7900 so a massive gap in the products and price which makes it hard looking at AMD Cards.

Thats why I am struggling, with the CPU options with the other option is would one of these be ok? NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 TI eagle?
https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/VGAGBV440610/Gigabyte-NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-4060-Ti-Eagle-8GB-GDDR

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#3106856 22-Jul-2023 10:22

This is the best option for NZ market

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Find the combination that aligns with your budget and outcomes.

If you're budget doesn't match the suggested outcomes, save some more?

100% get an AM5 platform, most of the high DD5 pricing has gone, so better platform to get started on with CPU upgrade options available.

If you have an existing GPU, you could even use that in the short term.

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