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#310622 6-Nov-2023 21:43
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My 4TB HGST spinning disks are 8 years old, they've been error free but at this age I think it's worth looking to retire them. They're running in a ReFS mirror setup for reliability, which makes them a little slower than a regular disk. I'd quite like to remove spinning disks from my PC to reduce noise and heat, so I reckon it's time for a big SSD. Instead of a mirror I would use backups, mostly cloud these days. I know I could buy a new hard drive, but quieter / cooler would be better.

 

I don't need particularly high performance, I prefer reliability. I have an NVMe SSD disk which runs my OS and performance sensitive data. The disk will mostly store family photos, general documents, backups, the usual. I have a spare NVMe slot in my B550 motherboard.

 

Can anyone recommend a reliable 4TB SSD? NVMe would likely make sense, unless there's a very good reason to go SATA. I'd prefer TLC (3 bits per cell) over QLC (4 bits per cell), it should be more reliable, they tend to be rated for more writes. There's a table of QLC vs TLC disks here. A decent length warranty would be useful. I'd prefer to stay with a decent brand name - I've always used Samsung but their 4TB SSDs are way more expensive than other good brands. I'd probably buy from Amazon US, they're quite a bit cheaper than NZ. Price is a factor, but it's not the primary factor.

 

Suggestions appreciated.


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  #3156809 6-Nov-2023 23:20
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Crucial P3/P3+ has been my go to for a while. They usually top the price:performance curve while still being decently reliable and having a 5 year warranty. The TBW isn't great compared to other drives.

 

Everything critical I do is backed up 321 so I'm not super concerned about reliability, it's more a quality of life thing than mission critical.

 

I did just have a 1TB Lexar fail recently after 3 years but it was a cheapy.




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  #3156816 7-Nov-2023 00:33
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HGST drives from that era tend to keep on going.  I have a 3 Tbtye HDS723030ALA640 drive in my mother's MythTV box that is showing 105267 power on hours (12 years) and is still fine.


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  #3156837 7-Nov-2023 08:08
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True, these hard drives are very reliable. I could reduce noise and heat by reformatting as NTFS so only one disk is running, the other could be an external backup.

 

I would like the performance and lower noise of an SSD, if the price isn't bad. The Crucial P3 has 800TBW, which if it lasted 10 years would be 220GB written per day. I doubt I would come anywhere near that. So that drive, which is well priced and well reviewed on Amazon, is on the list of possible buys. I can't recall the others I thought might be worthwhile, there's a few that are $50 more that are TLC, which would last longer and at least in theory have higher reliability against bit rot.

 

Other suggestions or thoughts are welcome :)




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  #3156876 7-Nov-2023 10:54
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Batman:

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/HDDLXR13300/Lexar-NM790-4TB-M2-NVMe-Internal-SSD-PCIe-40-x-4-S


uses HMB instead of DRAM, dynamic SLC



Thanks Batman, that looks like a very good option, TLC memory, price in New Zealand is quite competitive as well.

I think that is my first choice now, though I might wait for Black Friday before buying anything.

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  #3163254 24-Nov-2023 16:37
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I discovered today my 500GB NVMe Samsung 970 EVO has a critical error with NAND failing at 230TB written - no idea how it's written so much, but it is the OS disk, so maybe logs or something. It's within warranty period so that should get replaced / refunded by PBTech or Samsung, hopefully with a forward replacement since it's my OS disk. Because of this kind of thing I'm more inclined to order from NZ suppliers where warranty is easier to claim and no need for international shipping - some suppliers may make you send it back to the USA for replacement.

 

PBTech had a good price of $300 on the 4TB Lexar SSD on their "not black Friday" sale, better than Amazon even. It's still not bad at NZ$340, good quality and longevity. Not sure why they do Black Friday a different day from everyone else.

 

Amazon USA has some good deals on 4TB SSDs for the actual black Friday. WD Black is down 20% to NZ$380 (very good longevity with TLC), Crucial P3 is down to NZ$265 (poor longevity with QLC).


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  #3163360 24-Nov-2023 20:06
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I ended up going with the Team MP34 last time. Massive TBW ratings from a decent manufacturer and very good pricing. 


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  #3163362 24-Nov-2023 20:19
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SomeoneSomewhere:

 

I ended up going with the Team MP34 last time. Massive TBW ratings from a decent manufacturer and very good pricing. 

 

 

Interesting. It's probably TLC at 2400 TBW, though their QLC version is rated 1800 TBW. RAM and SLC cache on the Team are both good. It's NZ$250 on Amazon but they won't ship to NZ, NZ$320 from Paradigm PCs, $345 from Mighty Ape. The Lexar is $340, 3000 TBW and slightly faster, so fairly comparable. Coming from a ReFS mirror that does 80MB/sec either would be quite fast, but I'm more interested in reliability.

 

I've never heard of "Team" as a manufacturer, Lexar I have. Team has a surprising number of failures on this drive on Amazon.


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  #3164369 27-Nov-2023 11:10
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I ended up getting the Lexar NM790 4TB. PBTech are refunding the failed Samsung 970 512GB, so I'm replacing with a ADATA Legend 850 1TB. The ADATA is TLC with a very high TBW (2000TBW from memory), much higher than Samsung.

 

I'm still not sure how my Samsung 970 ended up with 230TB written in two years. Looking at disk activity I think it's OS logging plus lots of disk writes from Chrome.


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