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# 41187 11-Sep-2009 06:40
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Hi all,

I have an old 80 gb harddrive that I have installed into a second hand computer brought on trademe. I have formatted the hdd and installed windows xp onto it using my other computer. When I put it into the trademe computer, it starts up, gets about halfway through the boot cycle, then resets and starts to boot up again. 
 
The computer was working when i brought it, but only had a 20gb hdd. The only changes that I have made to it, is to add some ram and swap the hdd's a few times. The 80gb hdd has been formatted several times and though I intend to dual boot with ubuntu and windows, it just has windows at the moment. 
 
So to sum up (and finish explaining I suppose), I have a computer that I need to get working. It doesn't like booting up on the hdd that I have given it. The hdd works on another PC which rules out that as the problem, and I need to get this computer up and running as soon as possible.....
 
I am reaching the limits of my knowledge and sanity, so I need some ideas on what's happening and how I can get this computer going.
 
(I know this has been said countless times, but I need something to finish off with) Thank you all in advance!
 
 
Trademe computer: 
1.7ghz intel celeron processor 
1gb DDR RAM
Shared graphics
Any other specs/info you need, just ask
 

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  # 254945 11-Sep-2009 07:56

Hi,

When you install an operating system, it detects hardware and installs the appropriate drivers etc. The computer you used to install Windows XP will have different hardware from the computer you want to use the 80Gb hdd in.

I would suggest you reinstall Windows XP in the actual TradeMe computer. This should aviod an conflicts between hardware and the drivers needed for the hardware.

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  # 254949 11-Sep-2009 08:29
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+1

Installing XP (or any OS) on one type of hardware and expecting it to run on another is going to lead to disappointment a lot of the time. You can try a Windows repair, but probably better off doing a fresh install.

Its kinda like driving a 91 Octane powered car and then trying to put Diesel in it instead.... will lead to headaches.




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  # 254956 11-Sep-2009 09:07
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xpd: +1

Installing XP (or any OS) on one type of hardware and expecting it to run on another is going to lead to disappointment a lot of the time.

Fully agree with the above statement.

Its kinda like driving a 91 Octane powered car and then trying to put Diesel in it instead.... will lead to headaches.

Fully disagree with the above statement, it's nothing like that. :P







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  # 254970 11-Sep-2009 10:16
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Hahaha yea, diesel in a petrol engine will give you a bit more than just a headache!

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  # 254971 11-Sep-2009 10:22
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How'd I know Tony would pop in somewhere there.... hehe....




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  # 254974 11-Sep-2009 10:41
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+1 on the reinstall,

You will need to boot the new machine off the XP disk, and then reinstall it on the HDD, 
Software in the past didn't care if you changed hardware on it, now days due to piracy and other issues, software authenticates against the hardware it was installed on, (esp MS stuff) and if it has changed it gets upset.

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  # 255015 11-Sep-2009 14:04
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xpd: +1

Installing XP (or any OS) on one type of hardware and expecting it to run on another is going to lead to disappointment a lot of the time. You can try a Windows repair, but probably better off doing a fresh install.

Its kinda like driving a 91 Octane powered car and then trying to put Diesel in it instead.... will lead to headaches.


Sometimes you're lucky though. I had a server running Ubuntu at home, and after a while I realised the machine was dying and none of the bits were worth keeping except the hdd's. I got a new motherboard, cpu, ram, gfx card, the works. Slotted the old hard drives in, booted up, and didnt have to touch a thing. And this was with some pretty big changes to the architecture (kept it i386 though).

 
 
 
 




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  # 255063 11-Sep-2009 17:12
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thank you all for the quick replies....

i thought i had mentioned every thing in the first post, but now something else comes to mind. I tried to install xp the first time, i had the hdd in the trade me computer. It didn't work. to see if it was the hdds fault, i moved it to my computer and did it from there......as I am writing this I am starting to reimstall xp...will post the results soon......



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  # 255077 11-Sep-2009 20:08
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maybe not so soon...

since my last post, the computer has only got to 40% completed in the first stage of the installation. On the other computer it took less then ten minutes, as it should. To describe it as "slow" would be an understatement, tectonic plates move faster then this......

nevertheless i will persevere . . . . even if it takes all weekend

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  # 255147 12-Sep-2009 10:37
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Get a copy of UltimateBootCD and run HDD tests and RAM tests to make sure they arent faulty




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  # 255302 13-Sep-2009 08:44
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OK, so the installation finished sometime last night. I don't need to tell anyone here that this is a ridiculous amount of time for something like that. So anyway I booted it up and, well, the results were not amazing. I did not see it once get to the windows xp logo screen, it always rebooted itself before that. But I left it going, about an hour later when I checked it, it had started up. However it was running in 640x480 at 4bit colour. Also explorer wasn't running and even manually starting it with task manager couldn't get it to work......

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  # 255307 13-Sep-2009 08:51
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Sounds like youve got some poked hardware....




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  # 255329 13-Sep-2009 11:15
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thats what I have been trying to say

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  # 255487 14-Sep-2009 02:47
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So replace it, spec wise its a piece of s**t and not worth persevering with IMO.

If its a HP/compaq go into the bios setup and make sure the HDD is set to LBA assisted, they have a braindead default of bit-shift which will not work most of the time.

Drop your AGP shared memory and the appature size down to minimum and run memtest86 on it overnight or longer.

Get the manufacturers diagnostic tools for the HDD and run them on it with the destructive long test. Twice. If you see anything from seatools etc about repair - the drive is stuffed - dont believe the repair thing as doing anything other then fooling you.

Dont waste your time dualbooting a machine - if you want to play with multiple OSs get another machine for each - dungers like that are about $100 now.




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  # 257189 20-Sep-2009 13:49
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oook, sorry for the long wait been a busy week

but anyho,

ran memtest86+ with no faults found
downloaded seatools for windows and ran that, the 80gb hard drive failed all tests expect the S.M.A.R.T. check (can someone explain that, the help menu wasn't very helpful)

its not just that hdd though, I put my other hdd (this one does work) in the computer, it made it all the way to the os logo before rebooting.

richms, I would love to just get another machine, but the unfortunate thing about being a student is that you have next to no money, and what you do have you always need for something else......so I'm afraid that that's out of the question (unless someone wants to donate?)

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