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Topic # 60971 6-May-2010 16:04
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Dear Geek buds,

I have to confess, I'm only a pseudogeek and haven't kept up with the latest developments in personal computing and the time has come to replace my aged desktop PC; I've run out of space and oomph.

I'm not even sure where to start, the options available today as opposed to when I was last in the market are boggling. WTF is hyperthreading anyway?!?

Anyhew, what to get and where to get it? I don't really have time or inclination to research it properly. I use a computer a fair bit but not for gaming or anything savage. Just looking for a fast, reliable and reasonably priced desktop system (I know, pick two...). Looking to spend <$1k.

Am currently leaning towards the entry level Dell Inspiron 560 but my limited attempts at background research suggests that its processor (Pentium Dual Core E5400 (2.7GHz,800MHz, 2MB)) is not exactly the latest and greatest, nor does it appear to be upgradeable at all. Other than that, it's about the level of what I'm after (500GB drive, 4GB RAM, Windows 7, DVD RW, sort of thing). I don't need a monitor or other peripherals.

Do the Inspiron 560 specs represent decent bang for the buck?
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium Dual Core E5400 (2.7GHz,800MHz, 2MB)
Memory: 4GB (2X2GB) DDR3 SDRAM Memory (SYSTEM MEMORY will only perform at 1066MHz due to chipset limitation)
Hard Drive: 500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive with Native Command Queuing
Video: Integrated Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator X4500 Graphics
Optical: 16x DVD+/-RW Drive
Bottom Line: $850 delivered

The local PB technology suggest they can do a similar system but upgrade the processor to a Dual Core E6500 chip, 2.9GHz also with 4GB of memory but it would be DDR2 rather then DDR3 for $800. Is there any substantive difference or benefit in this?

Any advices?

- DM

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  Reply # 327458 6-May-2010 17:21
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I assume you are re-using your existing monitor, mouse and keyboard and those don't need to be included in yout $1k budget?

If so, you can get much newer Core i3, DDR3 based system based like this for ~$1k, something like this:

Cpu:
Intel Core i3 530 Clarkdale 2.93Ghz 4MB LGA1156

Motherboard:
Asus or Gigabyte Intel H55 i7/i5/i3 DDR3 uATX PCI-E LGA1156

Ram:
Kingston HyperX 2x2GB DDR3-1600 CL9

Graphics:
Onboard motherboard, latest intel model (if you want to game add you can ATI or Nvidia graphics card later)

Cooling:
Stock cooler (upgrade to a aftermarket cooler for less noise and better cooling, subjective decision)

Case:
Any quality mid tower, eg: Antec 300

Power Supply:
Any quality 450-480w unit eg: Corsair, Antec etc

Dvd:
Asus/Liteon/LG 22x dvd writer

OS:
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64Bit OEM

I would suggest getting quotes for a custom build from Computer Lounge and Playtech.  You will find Dell and PB Tech skimp on case, psu, ram quality and focus on shifting generic units while Computer Lounge and Playtech tend to treat each custom build more like a craftsman would.





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  Reply # 327495 6-May-2010 18:41
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Hey, you can definitely get way better speed and efficiency than a pentium for under $1000. Ragnor's build is a good start. Try and salvage what you can from your old machine as any money you save there can be put towards nicer parts or in your pocket.
For the PBtech machine DDR3 offers no advantage from DDR2.
Would you be assembling the machine yourself or getting someone to do it for you?

I quickly priced up a machine from computer lounge of what you could get for the money 

i3 530, gigabyte GA-H55M, kingston 2x2gb ddr3} combo deal - $559
western digital caviar green 1tb - $129
corsair cx400 - $99
Antec three hundred - $129
LG-GH22 - $69
total - $985

You could definitely spend less than this but for $1000 I don't think you could do much better unless gaming was your priority. 
 




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  Reply # 327558 6-May-2010 21:34
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Many thanks for those responses, much appreciated. That's the kind of info I'm after. I don't need monitor, keyboard, mouse etc..., just the box of tricks. While I'd happily open up a case to add memory and I even swapped out a CPU once, I wouldn't feel confident to build the thing myself from first principles.

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  Reply # 327587 7-May-2010 06:49
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i3 530, gigabyte GA-H55M, kingston 2x2gb ddr3} combo deal - $559
western digital caviar green 1tb - $129
corsair cx400 - $99
Antec three hundred - $129
LG-GH22 - $69
total - $985

You could definitely spend less than this but for $1000 I don't think you could do much better unless gaming was your priority. 
 


I quickly calculated the what a AMD Quad Core Combo would be worth
AMD Athlon II X4 630 $186
Asus M4A785D-M PRO $149
Super Talent T800UX4GC5, 2x2GB $176

Thats about $512.




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  Reply # 327717 7-May-2010 14:26
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There's no question an AMD system can offer good bang for buck at the budget end.

However it's worth noting that an Athlon II X4 is an older generation of tech (superseded by Phenom II) pricewise you need to compare it to Core 2 Duo CPU / socket 755 motherboard to be fair.

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  Reply # 327812 7-May-2010 19:38
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Ragnor: There's no question an AMD system can offer good bang for buck at the budget end.

However it's worth noting that an Athlon II X4 is an older generation of tech (superseded by Phenom II) pricewise you need to compare it to Core 2 Duo CPU / socket 755 motherboard to be fair.


Not quite. Athlon II is a Phenom II minus 6MB of cache. It is 45nm and runs at a peak of 95W just like the Phenom II's do. He isn't doing anything savage with the PC no need for to pay a premium for Intel performance when you won't notice the difference in day to day usage. I would go quad core so the PC will last more than 3 years. Video cards and SSD's in the future will offer great performance gains to extend it's longevity.




Home Server: AMD Ryzen 2700, 64GB, 56TB HDD, HP Smart Array P420, Define R5 Case, 10GbE, ESXi 6.7, NextPVR, Emby Server, Plex Server, 2 x HDHomerun.
Lounge Media Center: NVIDIA Shield TV 16GB: Kodi18.a2/SPMC17a11 with Titan, Emby, NextPVR, 250GB SSD.
Kids Media Center: NVIDIA Shield TV 16GB: Kodi18.a2/SPMC17.a11 with Titan, Emby, NextPVR, 120GB SSD
Test Center: NVIDIA Shield TV Pro 500GB. Plex Media Server, Kodi18.a2/SPMC17a11 with Titan, Emby, HDHomerun.
Main PC: Ryzen 7, M.2, 24GB RAM, Nvidia GT730 + RX 570, 512GB ADATA SSD, 2 x 2TB HDD, 2 x 24" Panasonic LCD TV, Blu-ray drive, Windows 10, Kodi18.a2, Emby, Titan.


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  Reply # 332733 21-May-2010 02:43
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not a huge performance difference between ddr2 and ddr3, more from the long term upgrade perspective is it a good idea to get dd3




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