What's up with Nokia WP8 phones being out of stock?!

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#827889 29-May-2013 17:22

There are plans for the 'middle range' Nokia devices to be dropped out onto the Telecom network soon, the release process requires Nokia to have their handsets type tested prior to launch on the Network, that can cause some delays at times.

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#827891 29-May-2013 17:23

billgates:
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As an example, 2Degrees only have the Samsung Ativ in stock - that's hardly multiple. And a business may not be negotiating with the provider directly, it can be a reseller who doesn't have the access to all devices in the provider's range.

I am not sure of their stock levels, but I do know that they carry Huawei Ascend W1 and Samsung Ativ S. Sometime in May they were also meant to add Black Nokia Lumia 520.

Only the Ativ is available online. And a single device hardly matches the needs of an entire company. Look, the bottom line is that WP8 phones are good devices. I've had the opportunity to test the first engineering sample of the LG WP7 at the time and thought it was absolute crap, so I know first hand that WP came a long long way since then. There is absolutely no reason for companies not to adopt WP as the primary device, particularly if their software infrastructure is MS-based. The only problem is that the devices are unavailable. When a major telco like 2Degrees carries a single WP device in its entire range, it's a ridiculous situation. My problem though isn't just the WP availability in general - it's the Nokia WP8 midrange unavailability that pisses me off.

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#827901 29-May-2013 17:52

Kookoo:
billgates:
Kookoo:
As an example, 2Degrees only have the Samsung Ativ in stock - that's hardly multiple. And a business may not be negotiating with the provider directly, it can be a reseller who doesn't have the access to all devices in the provider's range.

I am not sure of their stock levels, but I do know that they carry Huawei Ascend W1 and Samsung Ativ S. Sometime in May they were also meant to add Black Nokia Lumia 520.

Only the Ativ is available online. And a single device hardly matches the needs of an entire company. Look, the bottom line is that WP8 phones are good devices. I've had the opportunity to test the first engineering sample of the LG WP7 at the time and thought it was absolute crap, so I know first hand that WP came a long long way since then. There is absolutely no reason for companies not to adopt WP as the primary device, particularly if their software infrastructure is MS-based. The only problem is that the devices are unavailable. When a major telco like 2Degrees carries a single WP device in its entire range, it's a ridiculous situation. My problem though isn't just the WP availability in general - it's the Nokia WP8 midrange unavailability that pisses me off.

What is your problem with buying the phone from one Telco and putting somebody else's SIM into it?

2D were very helpful to me in this regard; even sending out a Micro SIM directly to me because our local reseller were out of stock.

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#827902 29-May-2013 17:53

grant_k:
Kookoo:
billgates:
Kookoo:
As an example, 2Degrees only have the Samsung Ativ in stock - that's hardly multiple. And a business may not be negotiating with the provider directly, it can be a reseller who doesn't have the access to all devices in the provider's range.

I am not sure of their stock levels, but I do know that they carry Huawei Ascend W1 and Samsung Ativ S. Sometime in May they were also meant to add Black Nokia Lumia 520.

Only the Ativ is available online. And a single device hardly matches the needs of an entire company. Look, the bottom line is that WP8 phones are good devices. I've had the opportunity to test the first engineering sample of the LG WP7 at the time and thought it was absolute crap, so I know first hand that WP came a long long way since then. There is absolutely no reason for companies not to adopt WP as the primary device, particularly if their software infrastructure is MS-based. The only problem is that the devices are unavailable. When a major telco like 2Degrees carries a single WP device in its entire range, it's a ridiculous situation. My problem though isn't just the WP availability in general - it's the Nokia WP8 midrange unavailability that pisses me off.

What is your problem with buying the phone from one Telco and putting somebody else's SIM into it?

2D were very helpful to me in this regard; even sending out a Micro SIM directly to me because our local reseller were out of stock.

Just make sure the phone supports all the right frequencies, there are also other factors such as "fast dormancy" to take into account.

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#827903 29-May-2013 17:54

Why not just fork out for a 920 and be done with it? Yes it carries a price premium but it is a premium device that provides a premium user experience

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#827943 29-May-2013 19:15

Be very careful of expecting a handset to just swap across to another network, way too many re-sellers just say yes when a customer asks if they can "put any SIM" in a device and point to the quad band list on the side of the box.

In most cases that's the 2G bands - 850/900/1800/2100 and all looks fine, it's the HSDPA / UMTS bands you need to check and most handsets are Tri-band only, and that's just because the manufacturers make devices based on the location they'll be sold into - or the carrier requirements.

Telecom is all 850 Mhz on all cellsites, 2100 MHz on CBD and other selected locations (holiday destinations etc)

Vodafone and 2 Degrees - 900 Mhz and 2100 Mhz with 2G coverage across cellsites as well.

So buy a Voda aligned device with 900 / 2100 and yes a Telecom SIM will work central Auckland / Wellington etc but else where, with no 900 Mhz to drop back to 'no coverage'

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#827987 29-May-2013 20:29

MobEvangelist: There are plans for the 'middle range' Nokia devices to be dropped out onto the Telecom network soon, the release process requires Nokia to have their handsets type tested prior to launch on the Network, that can cause some delays at times.

Ah, that's understandable. I wonder at what stage are the other 2 providers.

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#827993 29-May-2013 20:48

grant_k:
What is your problem with buying the phone from one Telco and putting somebody else's SIM into it?

2D were very helpful to me in this regard; even sending out a Micro SIM directly to me because our local reseller were out of stock.

I am sure they were, but other telcos still don't stock the Lumia 620 and Lumia 720, and they already don't stock the Lumia 710.

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#828009 29-May-2013 21:11

MobEvangelist: In most cases that's the 2G bands - 850/900/1800/2100 and all looks fine, it's the HSDPA / UMTS bands you need to check and most handsets are Tri-band only, and that's just because the manufacturers make devices based on the location they'll be sold into - or the carrier requirements.

This is why the Lumia 620, 720, 820 and 920 are such versatile phones. They are Quad Band HSDPA / UMTS, which means they will work equally well on any network in NZ. Lumia 520, and older model x10 phones, are only tri-band with one of the bands being 850 or 900 but not both.

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#828010 29-May-2013 21:11

Wade: Why not just fork out for a 920 and be done with it? Yes it carries a price premium but it is a premium device that provides a premium user experience

There is no such a thing as "premium user experience". It's just marketing jargon (in other words - BS) in an attempt to justify charging for features you won't be using. Rather than "premium user experience" I think of features that I attribute value to based on my usage scenarios.
For my usage scenarios, the value I attribute to the additional features that the 920 has is less than $50. So if anyone is happy to sell a Lumia 920 to me for $500 - I'm all for it. Otherwise I'll keep looking for the 720 and co.

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#828011 29-May-2013 21:12

Kookoo:
grant_k:
What is your problem with buying the phone from one Telco and putting somebody else's SIM into it?

2D were very helpful to me in this regard; even sending out a Micro SIM directly to me because our local reseller were out of stock.

I am sure they were, but other telcos still don't stock the Lumia 620 and Lumia 720, and they already don't stock the Lumia 710.

Why won't you consider buying from The Warehouse who have the 720, or Noel Leeming who have the 820?

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#828013 29-May-2013 21:13

MobEvangelist: ...

Buyer beware

Yip, I am quite familiar with mobile networks. If I wasn't I would probably be looking for a new job.

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#828021 29-May-2013 21:30

grant_k:
Kookoo:
grant_k:
What is your problem with buying the phone from one Telco and putting somebody else's SIM into it?

2D were very helpful to me in this regard; even sending out a Micro SIM directly to me because our local reseller were out of stock.

I am sure they were, but other telcos still don't stock the Lumia 620 and Lumia 720, and they already don't stock the Lumia 710.

Why won't you consider buying from The Warehouse who have the 720, or Noel Leeming who have the 820?

To be honest - because as long as they have the defacto exclusivity on these models, there is no chance of getting a good deal. Take HTC One for example - it's available everywhere including telcos and retailers - and there is a $200 difference between Noel Leeming and Vodafone. No chance of that with the Lumia though.

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#828024 29-May-2013 21:38

Kookoo:
grant_k:
Kookoo:
grant_k:
What is your problem with buying the phone from one Telco and putting somebody else's SIM into it?

2D were very helpful to me in this regard; even sending out a Micro SIM directly to me because our local reseller were out of stock.

I am sure they were, but other telcos still don't stock the Lumia 620 and Lumia 720, and they already don't stock the Lumia 710.

Why won't you consider buying from The Warehouse who have the 720, or Noel Leeming who have the 820?

To be honest - because as long as they have the defacto exclusivity on these models, there is no chance of getting a good deal. Take HTC One for example - it's available everywhere including telcos and retailers - and there is a $200 difference between Noel Leeming and Vodafone. No chance of that with the Lumia though.

If you want the sharpest deal, then you should buy from Expansys as I did. If it's more about local support, then paying the extra $100 at The Warehouse is probably your best bet.

However, there are another 3 outlets for the 720 in NZ, and they weren't exactly hard to find:

http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=1698492

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#828028 29-May-2013 21:44

So you're complaining that you can't buy a reasonably mid range device for an OS with negligible market share. Now you're not happy that there isn't lots of competition to sell a device with negligible market share to drive down prices.

I'm trying really hard to find a way that what you are asking makes sense for a retailer or telco...

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