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Topic # 7024 13-Mar-2006 07:57
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After some investigation I think I will get as my first pocket pc a I MATE JASJAR.

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1) When viewing a web page, does the page shrink to fit the compact size of the screen, or is it huge (800x600) and you have to toggle around the web page, in your 100x100 screen ?

2) IMPORTANT TO ME : Can i make certain calls rec'd or email rec'd sound off an alarm that is unique the senders phone number or senders email address, and all other communications be the normal sound ?

3) Can you increase the RAM (1 GB) or the HARD Drive (ie 5GB) in the JASJAR ?

4) Does JASJAR or other third party utility allow solid security on the JASJAR, so if stolen they cant get in to the PC ?

5) When Telecom increase the speed of broadband will this rub off on vodaphone data speeds ? Whats the forecast for Vodaphone data speeds to JASJAR, are they bound to increase post April 06 ?

6) How can one increase battery life, is there a way to boost this, buy more, buy bigger ?

7) I assume you can print out things via the USB connection ?

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  Reply # 30573 13-Mar-2006 08:14
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1) When viewing a web page, does the page shrink to fit the compact size of the screen, or is it huge (800x600) and you have to toggle around the web page, in your 100x100 screen ?

The browser has options to fit to width, which destroys page formatting, but usually totally eliminates sideways scrolling. Works really well - usually end up with all the sidebars at the top, then main content below.

2) IMPORTANT TO ME : Can i make certain calls rec'd or email rec'd sound off an alarm that is unique the senders phone number or senders email address, and all other communications be the normal sound ?

I am not aware of the phone editions being able to do this out of the box, you may need some third party software.

3) Can you increase the RAM (1 GB) or the HARD Drive (ie 5GB) in the JASJAR ?

You cant increase the built in memory, but you can add memory cards. Buy the biggest card you can afford, and get it on day 1, so when you install software, you can install it to the storage card you just bought, rather than the precious (and limited) main memory). These devices only have flash memory, not a hard drive as such.

4) Does JASJAR or other third party utility allow solid security on the JASJAR, so if stolen they cant get in to the PC ?

There are all sorts of utilities available - from basic password protect (invoked automatically every 'turn-on', or after a certain amount of time not using it [the four hour option usually means you only have to enter your password once a day]). Lots of third party apps as well, offering many different features. Check for Windows Mobile 5.0 compatibility before paying for any software for this device - although most stuff should run just fine.

5) When Telecom increase the speed of broadband will this rub off on vodaphone data speeds ?

No sorry - completely independant of each other in this regard. Telecom is increasing the speed of ADSL delivered over copper wires, they dont have a hand in Vodaphones UMTS/GPRS speed.

Whats the forecast for Vodaphone data speeds to JASJAR, are they bound to increase post April 06 ?

Not sure on the dates, but there are future speed increases planned for Vodafones 3G system. JohnR might be better at explainging that than me, and whether the JasJar (JamJar) can take advantage of those plans.

6) How can one increase battery life, is there a way to boost this, buy more, buy bigger ?

Spare battery, car charger, spare wall charger, a socket power pack (I have one of these - they rock), and turning screen brightness down to the lowest comfortable level, and turning off bluetooth and/or wifi if you dont use them.

7) I assume you can print out things via the USB connection ?

Not that im aware of, you would need a bluetooth or wifi printer adapter and drivers for your JasJar (although I havent done this myself), or transfer files to the host PC for printing.




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  Reply # 30574 13-Mar-2006 08:19
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All this apply for any Pocket PC Phone Edition running Windows Mobile 5.0, regardless of being Vodafone i-mate Jasjar or Telecom Apache:

1) When viewing a web page, does the page shrink to fit the compact size of the screen, or is it huge (800x600) and you have to toggle around the web page, in your 100x100 screen ?


The screen is 640x480 pixels (VGA resolution) but it is not showing true VGA otherwise it would have very little icons and small font. I uses pixel doubling, making it very legible.

As for browsing Internet Explorer Mobile works in three modes: Desktop, Default, One Column. In Desktop mode it will show the page exactly as it would in your PC or laptop, so you have to scroll up/down and left/right. Default will try to fit to the screen and One Column is ideal, since it will fit the page in a vertical format.

There are other browsers available, including Opera, but I think Internet Explorer Mobile Does a good job.

2) IMPORTANT TO ME : Can i make certain calls rec'd or email rec'd sound off an alarm that is unique the senders phone number or senders email address, and all other communications be the normal sound ?


Not with the default software, but you can try Ringo Mobile for example. There are lots of other software around for this.

3) Can you increase the RAM (1 GB) or the HARD Drive (ie 5GB) in the JASJAR ?


The internal memory is constant: "Storage" is used to store data and "Program" is used to execute programs. The storage is ona flash memory so if the battery runs out it will not erase anything.

However you don't want to use this memory because some programs only work well when installed in the Storage. For actual storage you want a SD card (these devices don't use Hard Disc). I use a fast (133x 20GB/S) SD card, which will be more expensive but better than cheaper cards. You purchase cards at good prices through flashcards.co.nz.

4) Does JASJAR or other third party utility allow solid security on the JASJAR, so if stolen they cant get in to the PC ?


Lots of programs to choose from. Have a look in our Geekzone Software Store in the Security section.

5) When Telecom increase the speed of broadband will this rub off on vodaphone data speeds ? Whats the forecast for Vodaphone data speeds to JASJAR, are they bound to increase post April 06 ?


Telecom's average cellular data speed on CDMA EV-DO is already three to four times faster than Vodafone on UMTS. Vodafone will be rolling out HSDPA, which is a new technology but in its first stage it will probably not beat current Telecom's technology. When deployed current devices will not be compatible with HSDPA.

And it's Vodafone not Vodaphone (are you American? I see lots of Americans spelling this way because they don't know the brand).

6) How can one increase battery life, is there a way to boost this, buy more, buy bigger ?


You can increase battery life by having the backlight turn off with no use, dim backlight. You can also turn off Bluetooth, turn off Wi-Fi, turn off infrated - these all suck battery and it's most likely you will not use these all the time.

You can always have a second (or third, fourth) batteries though.

7) I assume you can print out things via the USB connection ?


With third party software, when connected to a PC via ActiveSync. Current Pocket PCs don't have USB Host, only client. The ones that do have USB Host are more expensive, and I don't know of any Pocket PC Phone Edition with this capabilitie.





 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 30578 13-Mar-2006 09:06
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Wow thanks for good answers. That Ringo mobile looks good.

Reference : http://www.cstuff.co.nz/product.pasp?emGUID=505943841FFF475683E990D1FA207C94!2241!3307&categoryid=138&productid=841

1) Memory Question

The specs are this...
Memory
• Flash ROM: 128 MB
• RAM: 64 MB SDRAM

Processor/Chipset
• Intel Bulverde 520MHz

I assume you cant change this ( RAM, FALSH ROM, 520MHZ) in the future, or will they come out with bigger and better models with more grunt and more monies, and upgrading existing models will be a cant do? [ Like PC if your motherboard can take more then you just buy the more grunty stuff)

If you have a slide in card of 20GB ( and the guy in the shop told me 1GB was max) , and you only have 64 RAM with 520MHZ chip wont the be a tad slow running programs of the 20GB card, thats back to the 386 IBM days is it not ?

So you (I assume) install programs on to the SLIDE IN MEMORY CARD not the C:\ Drive as its only FLASH ????

2) PRINTING, how does one print out stuff, do you contect to PC and transfer things ?

3) I assume a USB memory stick can be used to take stuff off the JASJAR ?


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Reply # 30579 13-Mar-2006 09:15
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You can't change the specs on these devices, like one can on a desktop PC. They are highly integrated machines and companies in general don't have the technology to touch them. There is a company in the USA that actually increases the memory in certain models only.

New models come out all the time. Some with more memory, less memory, faster CPU, etc. If you need one now, don't wait for the next generation because your current problem is not solved by waiting.

SD cards are currently at about 4GB. Don't worry about the CPU speed. The access to this memory is random, not sequential, so it will be almost the same if you have a 256MB card or a 4GB card.

What makes a difference is the speed of transfer. As I wrote before, you will pay more for a 133x or 150x card, but it will be 2x or 3x faster than the cheaper cards.

You should install programs to the SD card just to make sure the main storage memory is free because that's where PIM (contacts, calendar, e-mail) and some programs must reside, so it makes sense to have the most possible free.

To print you will have to connect to a PC via USB or wirelessly to a printer via Wi-Fi or Bluetooth. You will need some printing program for this to work.

I also noticed that this link you posted says "i-mate JASJAR GSM Mobile Phone/Mini-Laptop/PDA'... Don't be fooled. It is not a laptop: it's a PDA (Personal Digital Assistant), and you will need a computer to synchronise contacts, calendar and e-mail (unless you are connected to an Exchange Server) and you will need a computer to install programs on this.

Also, as I wrote before, this device does not have a USB Host interface, so USB memory cards will not work with it.

And the comparison to the Intel 386 does not work. Today's CPUs are much faster than any 386. First they use different memory speeds, they work in 32 bits and have different interfaces and built-in features. This machine is a few times faster than anything you could have had a couple of years ago.








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  Reply # 30580 13-Mar-2006 09:37
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Sorry for my persistence,,

1) ..."Current Pocket PCs don't have USB Host, only client."...

The JASJAR has a socket, that a adpater can be plugged in to connect to USB devices ( I have seen it in the box at the shop)

So are you saying that JASJAR can write to USB memory stick, but not rec'd data from it ...

2) The recommeded memory card is (133x 20GB/S) SD card, I cant seam to find this on www.flashcards.co.nz, can you post a link please of the product ?

Thanks so much for your help.

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Reply # 30581 13-Mar-2006 09:43
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First there's the physical problem: the USB connector on the i-mate Jasjar is a mini USB, while most USB memory are standard size. Next, USB Host is a special hardware/software combination that allows different devices to be plugged and drivers to be loaded. The USB Host is a server type of software.

The i-mate Jasjar does not have the hardware neither the software for this, so it won't work with any USB device, except as a client for ActiveSync on your PC or as a software modem emulator on your PC.

Ooops... Sorry, it's not 20GB/s, it's 20MB/s. And you should look for Pretec (which is not available on flashcards.co.nz apparently). There is a couple of other brands on their list though. Check this one for example. Note that I can't guarantee the quality of their products because I didn't have any for testing. I only used the Pretec brand and it works fine on my own i-mate Jasjar (I also have a Telecom Apache, for the record).













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  Reply # 30597 13-Mar-2006 11:49
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Another question..

Whats it like recording little video clips

Ok to record 2 to 5 minutes...I guess it would suck up the memory big time.

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Reply # 30599 13-Mar-2006 11:54
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You can set the camera to store images and videos on the SD card. A small clip (a couple of minutes) can take some 50MB - 100MB. The quality isn't great and I don't recommend it as a replacement for a decent camera.





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  Reply # 30611 13-Mar-2006 15:19
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Anothjer question came to my mind, I heard that the JASJAR cannot be an infared universal controller. So this means with some of the other pocket p.c that can be turned into a remote control to control you t.v, video, ect that the JASJAR can not. Is this true???

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Reply # 30624 13-Mar-2006 17:04
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There is one type of infrared that is specifically used in Consumer Infrared applications, called CIR.

All Pocket PCs will work as Infrared remote controls, but only those with CIR will be able to be used at longer distances, like true remote controls. The more standard IR found in most Pocket PC are used for data transfer and the distance requirements are shorted, sometimes of up to a meter.







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  Reply # 30726 14-Mar-2006 21:55
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A couple more..

1) As VODAFONE charge by the minute for calls, and MB used, is there a tool that can show MB usage, time used making calls. So one can get a feel of how one usage is going during a time frame, of either hour, day week ? Either on JASJAR (preferred), or may be at the vodafone website.

2) Is this card top of the range for JASJAR ( they tell me 8MB ones are in Japan )
KeyMem (Samsung Memory) 2GB 133x Ultimate Speed Secure Digital (SD) Card
http://www.flashcards.co.nz/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24_46&products_id=566
Any comments on this card ?

Its seams flashcards.co.nz does not have any PRETEC cards, is there an online shop for them in NZ ?

Thx

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Reply # 30727 14-Mar-2006 22:01
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The Spb GPRS Monitor will track the data usage and give you the approximate cost in any period. You have to correctly configure the start/end day for each of your cycle, and the data plan.

However it may not be 100% accurate because Vodafone will round up the usage every 20 minutes (more or less) to the next 10KB block, and this is on the network side, so your device doesn't even know about this. If you use only 1KB during this time then your connection will be charged 10KB, and so on.

For call timers there's a built-in counter on the phone application, but you again will only get approximate times, and no amount - this is obtained from the Vodafone website or call centre.

As for the card, I can't guarantee a card since I haven't used this.







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  Reply # 30739 15-Mar-2006 07:55
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The Spb GPRS Monitor looks great, so I assume there no way to track call sending/dailing. A reading of how long you are on the phone if you dailed out. This would be useful.

On my desktop PC I use a thing called screenhunter to capture areas in the windows screen and save them as a BMP or JPEG, excellent tool. Do you know of any tool like this for Pocket PC JASJAR ?

Have you a list anyware of the TOP 10 third party utulities, of most useful types ?

Thanks for your help, once again, this is a new world for me...



Screenhunter link
(http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file_description/0,fid,22944,00.asp)


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Reply # 30741 15-Mar-2006 07:59
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I think you should hunt all the software and everything else directly in the Geekzone Software Store. There are 75,000 titles there, and we would be here forever looking at each one...

There's a list with the top sellers here.






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  Reply # 30753 15-Mar-2006 11:47
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Thanks...yep you have done heaps for me, I did find something on a quick search.

More questions before I finally get one...

1) How compatible is Pocket Pc to Destop PC, ie an Excel file from Pocket Pc to desktop, can Desktop Pc read it ? Or do I have to have something installed in desktop pc ? This goes for all other MS Office applications.

2) Whats required to transfer data from pocket to desktop, and vica versa. All data and file types, is there any file type limitation, ( obviously as memory allows ). I assume pocket PC can be used like a USD memory stick to travel with data files from desktop pc to other desktop pc's.

3) As a normal mobile phone can be used to bring the internet to a laptop in a wireless form, can the Pocket PC do the same functionality as the mobile phone to a laptop, ie give a laptop wireless internet access ?

4) As there is a limit of MB downloaded, is one able to stop emails been downloaded to JASJAR if the are over say 2MB per email. Would this be a Vodafone check, or a third party tool that would do this ?

Thx

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