Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


6182 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 243

Trusted
Subscriber

Topic # 8169 8-Jun-2006 17:59
Send private message

Hi, was looking for push email recommendations, I am using PPC2003 on a ipaq 6356 and am looking for a thoughts on push solutions, have looked at various ones out there, but I am looking for thoughts from users. I have my own domain (thus email server) and would want to use IMAP as I would want to access from both PC's and PPC without need for direct sync.

The Always-on app looks good but it is hard to tell without directly installing it if it uses the PPC inbox that stands (thus intergrates with SMS) or is a stand alone app on the mobile.

Thanks in advance

Cyril

Create new topic


6182 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 243

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 37989 8-Jun-2006 19:05
Send private message

Thanks for the interest, my account is with kiwiwebhosts, I currently use IMAP with Thunderbird to access, as well as Squirrelmail. According to my cpanel interface the server is Linux Kernel (2.6.9-22.EL) but of course that does not detail what the IMAP/POP server is.

Cyril

BDFL - Memuneh
60605 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 11541

Administrator
Trusted
Geekzone
Lifetime subscriber

Reply # 37999 8-Jun-2006 20:55
Send private message

You could try emoze (http://www.emoze.com/) which is free - but you will need a PC (or at least the server) always on and connected so that the program can "push" to your Pocket PC.

There are other programs, but not free ones.









6182 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 243

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 38051 9-Jun-2006 11:27
Send private message

Thanks, will check it out.

Anyone using emoze, comments?

Cyril

BDFL - Memuneh
60605 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 11541

Administrator
Trusted
Geekzone
Lifetime subscriber

Reply # 38052 9-Jun-2006 11:31
Send private message
BDFL - Memuneh
60605 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 11541

Administrator
Trusted
Geekzone
Lifetime subscriber



6182 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 243

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 39660 26-Jun-2006 16:14
Send private message

Thanks for the suggestions, will check them out.

Cyril

643 posts

Ultimate Geek


  Reply # 40307 2-Jul-2006 14:43

IMAP more-or-less is a push email service, it sends you the message, instead of you checking for messages like POP. setup your PocketPC to use your mail hoster's IMAP server and you should be sweet assuming Microsoft have fully implemented IMAP in pocket PC (outlook is a broken IMAP client)

edit: my assumption was wrong :-\




Sniffing the glue holding the Internet together

BDFL - Memuneh
60605 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 11541

Administrator
Trusted
Geekzone
Lifetime subscriber

Reply # 40308 2-Jul-2006 15:01
Send private message

IMAP is not push - it simply allows for folders and for a bery basic synchronisation. There's a push IMAP standard, but so far only a very few companies implemented it.

Also, you would be lucky to find an ISP with IMAP. Because POP3 clients download messages and delete from the server, while IMAP uses space on the server, many ISPs won't provide this functionality - otherwise they would have to continuously invest in disk space.

And yes, Pocket Inbox implements IMAP.





BDFL - Memuneh
60605 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 11541

Administrator
Trusted
Geekzone
Lifetime subscriber

Reply # 40309 2-Jul-2006 15:02
Send private message

IMAP is not push - it simply allows for folders and for a bery basic synchronisation. There's a push IMAP standard, but so far only a very few companies implemented it.

Also, you would be lucky to find an ISP with IMAP. Because POP3 clients download messages and delete from the server, while IMAP uses space on the server, many ISPs won't provide this functionality - otherwise they would have to continuously invest in disk space.

And yes, Pocket Inbox implements IMAP.





643 posts

Ultimate Geek


  Reply # 40310 2-Jul-2006 15:57

Take a closer look at the protocol freitasm:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP
http://tools.ietf.org/html/3501#section-5.2

IMAP pertains that an email client should be ready to receive a notification of a new email. (much like exchange & push email) This works and I use it every day.

IMAP provides alot of functionality such as shared email folders, serverside email searches and even shared calendars when using UW-IMAP.

"Very basic synchronisation" ?? I have used it to replace Exchange.




Sniffing the glue holding the Internet together

BDFL - Memuneh
60605 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 11541

Administrator
Trusted
Geekzone
Lifetime subscriber

Reply # 40311 2-Jul-2006 16:07
Send private message

At any time, a server can send data that the client did not request. Sometimes, such behavior is REQUIRED.  For example, agents other than the server MAY add messages to the mailbox (e.g., new message delivery), change the flags of the messages in the mailbox (e.g., simultaneous access to the same mailbox by multiple agents), or even remove messages from the mailbox.  A server MUST send mailbox size updates automatically if a mailbox size change is observed during the
 processing of a command.  A server SHOULD send message flag updates automatically, without requiring the client to request such updates explicitly.


The server notifies the client of changes in the mailbox. The client must then request a sync action. There's no push - the server notifies the client of a change in mailbox size.

There's a new protocol being worked, called P-IMAP (http://db.org/2004/02/12/push-imap/). This one introduces true push e-mail, but not many implementations are available.

More here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/idindex.cgi?command=id_detail&id=11517 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push-IMAP.





643 posts

Ultimate Geek


  Reply # 40312 2-Jul-2006 16:12

Well I did say "more-or-less" push email :-)
It works for me in the same way Exchange and Push email would though, so I am in no hurry to buy an Exchange server.

When you say "the client must request a sync action" that's not like clicking the send-receive email button or a polled email check. The client automatically receives the new email after the server sends the message.

For me, it just works and your new email appears at the top of your inbox as soon as it has been passed to the IMAP server by your SMTP's LDA

It is not true push for sure, but thats semantical considering it does the same thing.

EDIT: on pocket Inbox (HTC Apache WM5) the IMAP client will disconnect from the server after receiving email. This effectively disables IMAPs email notification feature. Proper IMAP clients (evolution, thunderbird, etc) keep the connection to the server alive so as to receive new emails. Thumbs down Microsoft you broke yet another great feature of an open, industry standard in favour of un-interoperable proprietary rubbish!




Sniffing the glue holding the Internet together

1420 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Reply # 40321 2-Jul-2006 19:21
Send private message

RFC3501 Push IMAP or P-IMAP





Twitter - GaryRo
Jama Jam



6182 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 243

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 40327 2-Jul-2006 21:30
Send private message

Guys, thanks for all your suggestions, after looking at all the options, I had already decided a couple of days after my first post to just setup the PPC with a half hrly poll in under IMAP. This seems to work just fine, I will be checking out how much traffic that comes to after a months use.

I have my own account and domain that runs IMAP, I normally use Squirrel mail as my normal client as I use at least four different PC's in the course of a day. The Squirrel webclient infact interfaces as a IMAP client with the mail server, so sync with the PPC under IMAP is working just dandy.

Once again thanks for your suggestions.

Cyril

Create new topic

Twitter »

Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

N4L helping TAKA Trust bridge the digital divide for Lower Hutt students
Posted 18-Jun-2018 13:08


Winners Announced for 2018 CIO Awards
Posted 18-Jun-2018 13:03


Logitech Rally sets new standard for USB-connected video conference cameras
Posted 18-Jun-2018 09:27


Russell Stanners steps down as Vodafone NZ CEO
Posted 12-Jun-2018 09:13


Intergen recognised as 2018 Microsoft Country Partner of the Year for New Zealand
Posted 12-Jun-2018 08:00


Finalists Announced For Microsoft NZ Partner Awards
Posted 6-Jun-2018 15:12


Vocus Group and Vodafone announce joint venture to accelerate fibre innovation
Posted 5-Jun-2018 10:52


Kogan.com to launch Kogan Mobile in New Zealand
Posted 4-Jun-2018 14:34


Enable doubles fibre broadband speeds for its most popular wholesale service in Christchurch
Posted 2-Jun-2018 20:07


All or Nothing: New Zealand All Blacks arrives on Amazon Prime Video
Posted 2-Jun-2018 16:21


Innovation Grant, High Tech Awards and new USA office for Kiwi tech company SwipedOn
Posted 1-Jun-2018 20:54


Commerce Commission warns Apple for misleading consumers about their rights
Posted 30-May-2018 13:15


IBM leads Call for Code to use cloud, data, AI, blockchain for natural disaster relief
Posted 25-May-2018 14:12


New FUJIFILM X-T100 aims to do better job than smartphones
Posted 24-May-2018 20:17


Stuff takes 100% ownership of Stuff Fibre
Posted 24-May-2018 19:41



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.