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Topic # 9665 3-Oct-2006 19:42

It is time to move on from my beloved T3 and into the spooky world on Windows Mobile. I'm looking for feedback on devices with the good support for multiple internet connection sources, namely Nokia (via BlueTooth) & Wi Fi. Much as I love the T3, Palm (or Nokia, they blame each other) will not provide Remote SIM functions, most importantly SMS.

The ideal device is VGA with support for concurrent BlueTooth connections (i.e a Keyboard and phone connection), which can swap from GPRS to WiFi with the minimal of effort.

Current solution in use is T3 with Palm IR keyboard, Softick PPP (for BlueTooth internet at home) and a Nokia 6230 for GPRS when out and about. This works well except that I can not use the SMS software and the T3 battery is dying.

Note: Currently using Outlook with roaming profile. Hot Sync to Palm and Nokia PC Suite to Phones. So far have managed to keep all 4 in sync, I assume a windows device would not struggle to do the same?

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Reply # 47442 3-Oct-2006 19:51

Why a PDA? Why not a single Pocket PC Phone Edition such as the i-mate JASJAM (HSDPA) coming soon, or the i-mate K-JAM out now?

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Reply # 47444 3-Oct-2006 20:24

Ok your best bet is the Dell axim X51v, this is the best handheld out specs wise. And right now its only $639 which is freaking good value

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Reply # 47446 3-Oct-2006 20:50

Do be aware that Dell has discontinued their Axim 51v and many reported it is "alright" not the best. Though the WM5 upgrade of HP HX4700 is just as good as Dell's.

If you don't mind QVGA and insisting on PDA only, HP's HX2790 is good.

but like Mauricio said, why not get JasJam, or wait for Palm's 750v which both has HSDPA.

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Reply # 47447 3-Oct-2006 20:58

didn't think it was discontinued yet? soon to be though. Dell online has 'em.

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Reply # 47451 3-Oct-2006 21:06

Super, they're selling the remaining stocks. They no long producing anymore and it certainly has stopped. It was on Geekzone news.

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Reply # 47464 3-Oct-2006 23:13

freitasm: Why a PDA? Why not a single Pocket PC Phone Edition such as the i-mate JASJAM (HSDPA) coming soon, or the i-mate K-JAM out now?

IMHO, upgradability is the main reason for not going for a PDA/Phone. With two devices, not only is the total cost usually lower than a combo, but you can upgrade when bigger and better things come out without loosing all of your investment. And, its much easier to sell a phone or a pda than it is a combo.

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Reply # 47471 4-Oct-2006 07:45

Jed, true in that sense. but More and more manufacturers are dropping pda-only devices or remarket it to something else like HP's media companion and travel companion. However these pda-only devices are very limited. Where more manufacturers are focusing on converged devices. It will/is becoming real hard to find single-function pda-only device where you will see more and more pocketpc phone.

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Reply # 47480 4-Oct-2006 08:46

freitasm: Why a PDA? Why not a single Pocket PC Phone Edition such as the i-mate JASJAM (HSDPA) coming soon, or the i-mate K-JAM out now?

My experience thus far is that they are neither good phones nor PDAs. Also, outside of work hours I just want to carry my phone, not the mass of a PDA. I also want to use the same phone as a modem for my laptop, currently looking at Nokia 6234 which is the least horrible 3G handset.

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Reply # 47481 4-Oct-2006 08:51

chiefie: Do be aware that Dell has discontinued their Axim 51v and many reported it is "alright" not the best. Though the WM5 upgrade of HP HX4700 is just as good as Dell's.

If you don't mind QVGA and insisting on PDA only, HP's HX2790 is good.

but like Mauricio said, why not get JasJam, or wait for Palm's 750v which both has HSDPA.

Palm support for their products is soooo bad I will not buy another, I've had 2 now and thought I like them for size and usability, the support is truely bad (have a look at the many postings for people trying to get Nokia phone drivers, and then there was the disasterous SD WiFi which I returned after a week of utter frustration.

Is HP/Compaq support for PDA's better than their support for Laptops?

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Reply # 47482 4-Oct-2006 08:53

freitasm: Why a PDA? Why not a single Pocket PC Phone Edition such as the i-mate JASJAM (HSDPA) coming soon, or the i-mate K-JAM out now?

ps. my listing has me at "master geek", I think you have to be "uber geek" or above to own one of those ;-)

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Reply # 47483 4-Oct-2006 08:57

A suggested scenarion that I have, which may or may not be ideal.

If I were you, I'd get imate JasJam, or Palm Treo 750v simply because for their HSDPA and PocketPC-ness. I would also get a cheap GSM phone which can at least sync with PC/Outlook for basic contact management, this is for the night-and-light out (or afterwork phone). To utilise both devices, simply just remove the SIM card and put into the device that you desire to carry.

Now, to use your pocketpc device as modem for your laptop, you won't want something less than UMTS, hence coming back to the earlier suggestion of why choose JasJam or Treo 750v, as both can be used as modem for laptop or pc via USB.

However, I'd suggest waiting for Treo 750v as it is small enough to be a phone (a pretty good one from many reviews) as well as a pda, and bonus on top is it is hsdpa/umts. Personally, I'm looking to replace my imate smartphone2 with palm treo 750v should it released in NZ soon. And I intend to use it as the modem for my UMPC (when I get it), either via Bluetooth or USB.

So there you go, that's my suggestion for my usage, and with Palm Treo 750v, it isn't too chunky, to be a phone, and isn't too tiny to be a pda. It's just right (almost, except it has not WiFi, but you can soon find a miniSDio WiFi card, but why would you, when you have HSDPA with 1GB dataplan... right? hehe)

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Reply # 47484 4-Oct-2006 08:58

lyonrouge:
freitasm: Why a PDA? Why not a single Pocket PC Phone Edition such as the i-mate JASJAM (HSDPA) coming soon, or the i-mate K-JAM out now?

My experience thus far is that they are neither good phones nor PDAs. Also, outside of work hours I just want to carry my phone, not the mass of a PDA. I also want to use the same phone as a modem for my laptop, currently looking at Nokia 6234 which is the least horrible 3G handset.

You are out of luck if you think like this then. You see, the Pocket PC and the Pocket PC Phone Edition are exactly the same system. If think the Pocket PC Phone Edition is not a good PDA, then the pure Pocket PC will be the same. This is the paradox.

As using it as a modem for your laptop, feel free to use it. I use my Pocket PCs as modem for my tablet PC, both over USB (the Apache CDMA EVDO is great!) which guarantees it's always powered, and over Bluetooth when I can't be bothered getting the cable out of the bag (the i-mate Jasjar is nice for this).

As for using as a phone, I really don't mind. I use a Bluetooth headset and I don't even think on what's on the other side of the setup.

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Reply # 47486 4-Oct-2006 09:11

lyonrouge: Palm support for their products is soooo bad I will not buy another, I've had 2 now and thought I like them for size and usability, the support is truely bad (have a look at the many postings for people trying to get Nokia phone drivers, and then there was the disasterous SD WiFi which I returned after a week of utter frustration.

Is HP/Compaq support for PDA's better than their support for Laptops?

Do wait for Palm's WM5 device (750v) as it is not using PalmOS, so for one, the driver supports will be different (and expectedly better due to a good history of Windows Mobile supports). I couldn't comment on PalmOS, my personal experience ended with their very first (great grandfather of Palm OS) when it was debut in Palm Pilot and it has never set into me at all... really bad interface and unclear of how to operate, very unintuitive to me.

As for HP/Compaq support, just like any other manufacturers, big brand has their brand on their products doesn't necessary mean they are providing the supports directly. Many outsourced their customer services out to 3rd parties. And it also depends on country to country too.

In NZ, HP/Compaq and many other big brands supports are carried out by "Visual Group Limited". We had bad experience with their Christchurch branch as they clearly lack the communication to contact us on each progress where we requested it many times. I will spare you on that history. In short, don't expect the customer supports are as good as their brand shines, though they do generally provide satisfied support in the end. In today's world, money talks and money dictates.

HOWEVER, don't let that dent your decision. Decide what you purely want out of this, define few scenarios and find the pros and cons of each scenario, thought out thoroughly before setting on final decision.

Personally, I'd wait till Palm 750v and imate Jasjam out, and decide for yourself. You don't have to totally ditch your current Nokia when you make a shift to converged device. You can always keep a good working GSM phone for those real-grey-rainy day if all shit fails.

Good luck mate.

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Reply # 47488 4-Oct-2006 09:47

chiefie:
lyonrouge: Palm support for their products is soooo bad I will not buy another, I've had 2 now and thought I like them for size and usability, the support is truely bad (have a look at the many postings for people trying to get Nokia phone drivers, and then there was the disasterous SD WiFi which I returned after a week of utter frustration.

Is HP/Compaq support for PDA's better than their support for Laptops?

Do wait for Palm's WM5 device (750v) as it is not using PalmOS, so for one, the driver supports will be different (and expectedly better due to a good history of Windows Mobile supports).

Thanks for the input, these 2 seem to be the next big thing, so I shall be patient and keep the T3 on the charger during the day. Thanks for everyones input.

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Reply # 47491 4-Oct-2006 10:40

Anyone realise the 750v has a samsung 300mhz processor(rather than the normal [for treo] 312mhz intel xscale) and its batery life is half an hour shorter than the 700wx...tobad the wx is on CDMA

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