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#20003 9-Mar-2008 23:34
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I love my Dreamcast, and I was interested to read on Kotaku that Sega is calling out to all Dreamcast users to register with them if you still own one at www.dreamcast.com

Unfortunately, right now you'll be greated with the message "Due the high volume of account requests, the service will be temporally suspended".

There's also some debate going on in the Kotaku comments section that this might be a phishing scam. I'm not entirely sure on that but maybe Sega will come out and say something.

I still use my Dreamcast occasionally, it's a shame it died as quickly as it did. But, there are still plenty of fans out there - I'm curious as to what plans Sega might have for them.

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dnb4life
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i don't know anyone who brought one of these. frankly they were a dissapointment in my opinion. bad graphics, horrible loading times and a poor range of games. there are much better, older gaming consoles you can dedicate your life to. dreamcast should not be one of them.

i would also not be surprised if that registration thing was a phishing scam or similar seeing as the dreamcast site shouldn't even be around anymore. i'm surprised sega didn't die out after the dreamcast. well i suppose they kinda did as they don't even make consoles anymore, they just focus on games, which after the dreamcast i think is a good call on their part.

or maybe not. sonic for ps3 was one of the single worst games i've played on a next-gen console.

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  #115652 10-Mar-2008 08:23
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Can't say I agree with you there, it definitely didn't have bad graphics, I don't think the load times were that bad (though the drive mechanism is noisy) and while the number of games may have been limited due to the console's short lifespan, there was a good variety of software available. Some great examples in my collection are Soul Calibur, Metropolis Street Racer (Now PGR on Xbox),  Crazy Taxi, Virtua Tennis, etc etc

 
 
 
 


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  #115828 10-Mar-2008 19:37
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lurker: Can't say I agree with you there


well of course you don't. it's clear you're a dedicated fan of the dreamcast where as i am not.

lurker: it definitely didn't have bad graphics


i would have to strongly disagree with you on that one. of all the consoles released around the same time i would say it had by far the worst graphics. this is backed up by numerous bad reviews when it was released - hence why it sold so poorly.

lurker: there was a good variety of software available. Some great examples in my collection are Soul Calibur, Metropolis Street Racer (Now PGR on Xbox), Crazy Taxi, Virtua Tennis


what software are you talking about? i don't remember much, if any and as for those games i would say only soul calibur was worth paying for. the rest were a joke and most of the games seemed to be aimed and 5 year olds and under. quite similar to the N64 and gamecube. plus every single one of those games was released in arcades more than a year before the release of the dreamcast.

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  #116028 11-Mar-2008 21:41
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dnb4life:
i would have to strongly disagree with you on that one. of all the consoles released around the same time i would say it had by far the worst graphics. this is backed up by numerous bad reviews when it was released - hence why it sold so poorly.


So a few games get reviewed with bad graphics and therefore the console itself has the worst graphics, ok.

dnb4life:
what software are you talking about? i don't remember much, if any and as for those games i would say only soul calibur was worth paying for. the rest were a joke and most of the games seemed to be aimed and 5 year olds and under. quite similar to the N64 and gamecube. plus every single one of those games was released in arcades more than a year before the release of the dreamcast.


Well what you would say seems at odds with the rest of the world. Some of those titles went to other platforms and did just as well as they did on Dreamcast. Most of the games aimed at kids? Nonsense. Games like Shen Mue, Q3A, UT, Resident Evil:Code Veronica, Ferrari F355, or any Capcom fighting game are just more examples of games with great graphics which certainly weren't aimed at (or played by) kids. And yes, I do realise that when a console receives an arcade conversion that the game has probably been out in the arcades previously. Duh.

Some other lists of great Dreamcast games here, here and here.



In other news, Kotaku has now come out and said they believe the site is indeed a scam, after a Japanese site apparently features a comment from Sega denying any involvement. Looks like a lot of people got suckered into signing up for some spam...

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  #116048 12-Mar-2008 07:13
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lurker: So a few games get reviewed with bad graphics and therefore the console itself has the worst graphics, ok.


i'm talking about console reviews not game reviews and like i said when compared to other consoles it didn't hold muster. in fact it only lasted 3 years, 1998-2001 until it was discontinued. WOW, 3 years. not surprisingly due to debt and competetion from Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft Sega officially announced it was stopping console manufacturing and focusing on game developement.

lurker: Some of those titles went to other platforms and did just as well as they did on Dreamcast. Most of the games aimed at kids? Nonsense. Games like Shen Mue, Q3A, UT, Resident Evil:Code Veronica, Ferrari F355, or any Capcom fighting game are just more examples of games with great graphics which certainly weren't aimed at (or played by) kids.


most titles released on other platforms actually did better you'll find. as for my comment about most titles being for kids, it was an exaggeration, however compared to lets say playstation, it had a larger percentage of games aimed at younger demographics. this comes down to the fact this is sega and most of their games are aimed at the arcade generation which tends to be young. i would also point out most capcom fighters had no blood and delt with super heroes and comic characters which if you haven't noticed are aimed at younger audiences, much like the arcade games and much like the direct ports of these that were released on dreamcast.

lurker: I do realise that when a console receives an arcade conversion that the game has probably been out in the arcades previously. Duh.


i do not appreciate you're demeanor. i was not insinuating that you were dumb and i don't appreciate the "duh" remark either. if you want to include such words in your vocabulary then why don't you move to Springfield, eat plenty of donuts and drink Duff beer. i was simply stating the obvious but you seem to not care about the obvious. it is clear you are a what is referred to as a "fanboy" and will always hold the Dreamcast and Sega in high regard no matter what and i have no intention of having a flame war with someone who doesn't show respect to other forum members.

As for the scam, what can i say other than "I told you so" and as for your curiosity of "what plans sega has for dreamcast owners" - they don't have any fullstop. they left the console market in 2001 and don't plan on returning. you'd think it being 7 years ago you would know this by now. guess Springfield is a bit behind in the times.

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  #116962 16-Mar-2008 17:42
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dnb4life: i don't know anyone who brought one of these. frankly they were a dissapointment in my opinion. bad graphics, horrible loading times and a poor range of games. there are much better, older gaming consoles you can dedicate your life to. dreamcast should not be one of them.

i would also not be surprised if that registration thing was a phishing scam or similar seeing as the dreamcast site shouldn't even be around anymore. i'm surprised sega didn't die out after the dreamcast. well i suppose they kinda did as they don't even make consoles anymore, they just focus on games, which after the dreamcast i think is a good call on their part.

or maybe not. sonic for ps3 was one of the single worst games i've played on a next-gen console.



Bad graphics? What drugs are you on???

Dreamcast has way better graphics than ps2

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  #116985 16-Mar-2008 19:39
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Wills1: Dreamcast has way better graphics than ps2


i'm sorry but i think you mean "had" as dreamcast was discontinued after 2001 while the playstation 2 is still sold in stores today. it's a widely known fact (at least among the non-sega fanboys) that although ps2 didn't match the dreamcast graphics in it's first year (why should it? the dreamcast had 2 years hardstart), with advances in developement with its new processor it quickly overtook dreamcast graphics soon after. especially when most developers rushed to sony's warming arms once ps2 was released for fear of sega failing yet again as they did with sega saturn, sega 32x and the sega cd. honestly you would think you children would read up on the facts before running off your mouths. next you'll be saying a super gameboy has better graphics than a psp.

 
 
 
 


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  #116996 16-Mar-2008 20:44
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Gosh dnb4life every forum ive seen you post on youve taken a negative point of view, are you seriously that pessimistic or are you having a laugh?

And dreamcast was great. Alot of its games had pretty good graphics and i seriouly dont see a large difference in load times from dreamcast to that of most much newer consols.

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  #117017 16-Mar-2008 22:38
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McStag: Gosh dnb4life every forum ive seen you post on youve taken a negative point of view, are you seriously that pessimistic or are you having a laugh?

And dreamcast was great. Alot of its games had pretty good graphics and i seriouly dont see a large difference in load times from dreamcast to that of most much newer consols.


i don't take a negative view on everything and i'm not trying to be negative now, i just don't care for dreamcast and if someone starts a thread asking "do you still own a dreamcast?" i have the right to reply saying i don't and explaining my reasoning behind it.

thats my opinion and i'm entitled to it just as you are to yours. as for comparing it's load times to much newer consoles, don't. that comparison you just made is the equivalent to saying my original pentium II ran windows better than my amd 4200+ x2 does now. they deal with different material (i.e windows 98-windows vista) and therefore cannot be legitimately compared.

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  #123739 15-Apr-2008 18:18
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dnb4life you're obviously a PS Fanboy how can you dogg on the Dreamcast's graphics saying it had worse graphics then other consoles of the same era, i know for a fact that when it was released ps2 disn't exist so really you should be comparing dc to ps1 in which there is no comparison when it comes to gfx. Also when dreamcast was released it it had the best gfx architecture known to console,Then you go and say "(why should it? the dreamcast had 2 years hardstart)", Whats that telling you if 2 year old architecture is doing better then something brand new, That's like a GameCube Owning a Xbox. PS2 had 2 more extra years of development which makes your quote irrelivant. Sure the PS2 did out perform the Dreamcast over a peroid of time and dreamcast did cease production, But as far i knew the PS1 had a far larger fanbase then sega genesis even though genesis was capable of basic 3d elements far before PS1 was released.

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  #123753 15-Apr-2008 18:41
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Reow....

Well I still like the dreamcast, I thought the graphics were good and crisp and usually very good framerates unlike some competing systems that were all fancy filtering running at 10FPS. Many games were good releases but I must say there were a few duds.

Running the Dreamcast through VGA is something else, it shone. At that time the rest were stuck with dirty old TV standards.

And yes I also like the Xbox-1 for it's sheer crudeness and hackability (and Halo), and the PS2 from an engineering perspective (and Gran Turismo ruled)


BTW: The deamcast URL is now totally dead.

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  #123911 16-Apr-2008 08:53
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Kommisar: PS2 had 2 more extra years of development which makes your quote irrelivant.


The hardware sure did have 2 extra years of development, so I'd say its a pretty safe to assume that the PS2 had more graphical processing power. However! Game developers can't always just pick up a new piece of hardware and code it to use the hardwares peak performance. Compare a PS2 game on launch to a PS2 game recently released (Lets say.. God of War or Final Fantasy 12. Heck, even Tekken 5 had great graphics, and thats far from new) and you'll notice a significant increase in the quality of the graphics.

So his quote IS in fact relevant.

This being said, I have nothing against the dreamcast. Personally I dont own one and would probably never buy one, but I DO like playing em. A friend of mine has a few decent games on there (MVC2, which DEFINATELY isnt aimed at kids.. You'd have to be a pretty deft kid in order to master combos in MVC2. SF3, SVC, Virtua Tennis is a very solid game. Theres more I've played, but these stand out off the top of my head).

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  #124041 16-Apr-2008 13:35
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reow indeeed. you're right Kommisar i do happen to be a fan of the playstation, but i am also a fan of other great consoles such as the megadrive, ps2, wii and xbox 360. just because i happen to think dreamcast was useless doesn't mean i'm a fanboy for the other side. and yes, 3nvy's right, 2 years extra developement usually means somethings better. i find it funny how you pass this off as you'll see most competing manufacturers don't actually release their consoles on the exact same day. you think dreamcast would have sold as many consoles if the ps2 launch was the same?

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  #124055 16-Apr-2008 14:04
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3nvy and Dnb thanks for your input on the topic, 3nvy i understand that it does take some time to fully come to grips with new architecture and work out what works best but i still think that 2 years in the making does make that comment somewhat irrelavant, Prime example being the x360, the games that are coming out now seem to have the same level of graphics in titles that came out on release with a few exceptions of ported games and as we all know ports are somewhat of a messy affair espically console - pc,  2 Years is alot of development time lets compare graphic cards of today being the 9800 and compare it with a 7800 or even a 8800 and the differences between the two show in all its glory except maybe between the 9800 and the 8800 the only real world difference is performance since the 9800 still uses 8800 architecture (atleast to my knowledge it does correct me if im wrong). Now DnB i fully agree with you if they were both released at the same time the PS2 would without doubt would steal the market since it already had a massive fanbase due in part to the major success of their first console. While the sega market has never really had a much of a foothold after Sega MegaDrive and with the Genesis being a total failure mainly due to the crazy price for there console and games, It sort of reminds of the days when NeoGeo console games cost around $250 for a single cartiage and the console was around $800 which was very expensive for the time, Remember you could get a hell of alot more to your dollar back in those days then more recent times.

All in all DreamCast was elite for it's day, Breaking the barriers of 3d Gaming, On consoles that is we all know computer has always and will always be better, It's games like crysis that make you remember just why you're a PC Gamer.

 


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  #124064 16-Apr-2008 14:17
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i find that comment irrelevent. we're not talking about pc gaming here. you're only right about one thing, dreamcast ws elite for its day. 365 days to be exact, until the ps2 was released and within a year had destroyed any dreams sega had for staying in the console market. i'm gona have to re read this thread as i haven't been on it for ages and i am still yet to understand which exact quote of mine seems to be irrelevant. also try and keep your writing to plain black and no boldness. it makes it a lot easier to stomach.

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