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#296391 13-Jun-2022 14:55

My Son, a kid who very much loves Minecraft, has asked if we would consider buying him a new mouse for his upcoming birthday.

He wants something that can click fast and supports something called Drag Clicking.

Does anyone have a recommendation on something really decent <$100 ?

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#2926114 13-Jun-2022 15:16

my son swears by the Redragon range , they have really good reviews and they are cheap . They are primarily a company that supply the parts to other high end mouse makers and then branched out to make there own brand. The only problem is they dont really sell them in NZ. i get them from the the Ali Express store.

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/3376005

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#2926116 13-Jun-2022 15:20

I think the Glorious O comes under his heading. I think mightyape sell for $99 (the wired version)

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#2926119 13-Jun-2022 15:23

My eldest son has the Glorious Model O and uses drag clicking.

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#2930339 16-Jun-2022 12:49

Hi, someone who knows a socially unacceptable amount about gaming mice here, owns a collection and (humble brag) is the number 1 aimer in the country :D

So generally drag clicking is caused by bad software that allows the debounce time (the time between clicks where it will not register a click) to be set extremely low or to zero, combined with mouse switches that allow extremely fast inputs. Theoretically a very large amount of mice allow for this.

My recommendation for this would be the glorious model O, at 67 grams it may not be a top level mouse for aiming (my Hati S is 47 grams, a G Pro X is around 60, etc), but its popular for minecraft players and the clicks/software support drag clicking. Glorious mice are... not known for their good quality control (mine had noticeable side creek and the left mouse click broke after a week), and in general that is something you will have to accept for any mouse that has what is a flaw as being a feature. I should warn you drag clicking is a very easy path to get RSI, something I struggle with, and even at a young age he should be careful.

General tip, don't buy anything Red dragon- ever. Everything they make is kinda just bad. They also use hilariously out of date mouse sensors that to not track motion properly (or at all if you flick at any real speed) and are basically a scam.

A lot of gaming mice are simply a scam and Minecraft players generally being young and wanting very very specific features no other game needs, can fall prey very easily. If you want a great all rounder mouse the Razer Viper Mini has a very very very low price and shockingly good features, and is rightfully popular in general.

That being said mice have a LOT of preference in mind, if he's young a small mouse- (the Glorious model O is a large mouse, the model O- may be preferred) would likely be better, or depending on grip. As a fingertip aimer i prefer tiny mice to minimise weight (which universally allows for better aim), but a palm gripper will want a large mouse to fit in the hand. Palm grips aren't popular these days but there are still mice made for them (ie, pulsar xlite, pwnage ultra custom, etc)

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#2930341 16-Jun-2022 12:54

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Hi, someone who knows a socially unacceptable amount about gaming mice here.

So generally drag clicking is caused by bad software that allows the debounce time (the time between clicks where it will not register a click) to be set extremely low or to zero, combined with mouse switches that allow extremely fast inputs. Theoretically a very large amount of mice allow for this.

My recommendation for this would be the glorious model O, at 67 grams it may not be a top level mouse for aiming (my Hati S is 47 grams, a G Pro X is around 60, etc), but its popular for minecraft players and the clicks/software support drag clicking. Glorious mice are... not known for their good quality control (mine had noticeable side creek and the left mouse click broke after a week), and in general that is something you will have to accept for any mouse that has what is a flaw as being a feature. I should warn you drag clicking is a very easy path to get RSI, something I struggle with, and even at a young age he should be careful.

General tip, don't buy anything Red dragon- ever. Everything they make is kinda just bad. They also use hilariously out of date mouse sensors that to not track motion properly (or at all if you flick at any real speed) and are basically a scam.

Thanks. My son pointed me at a wireless Roccat model which is 50% off on Amazon presently. Would end up about $115 including shipping

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07YCDVFS6?geniuslink=true&linkCode=sl1&tag=leaguefeed06-20&linkId=8719fa571fbac13fb875e0fcc39924a7&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl&th=1

I am a little put off on your comments around quality of the Model O but I guess it's local and I can get free shipping, and should be covered under warranty.

From those two models, do you still recommend the Glorious?

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#2930364 16-Jun-2022 13:19

So Roccat are an interesting brand, they generally haven't been keeping up with the top of the industry by not putting out new releases- but there are people who LOVE their shapes (the Roccat Kone and its many, many variants are reasonably popular as a niche mouse). The Kain is a little old and at 89g it is heavy, however its other general features are actually very solid (although the clicks can be described as a bit mushy by some players). A lighter mouse allows for lighter muscle fibre activations, resulting in both faster and smoother aiming, making it on of the most important features of a modern mouse for competitive gaming. Although it wouldn't really make much difference in Minecraft if that is all he plays.

Glorious generally have caught up with their quality control, the Model O is a very popular mid level mouse and the recent batches have had reasonable quality, I have several friends who have year old model O's and most have zero issues (side buttons can be a bit loose but he'll never notice realistically). Good quality control is generally a little bit luck based although small manufactures definitely suffer more than others. The Hati S was infamous for having issues with creaking but mine is built rock solid as an example.

Keep in mind I always give the negative with the positive on reviews, a non experienced player will leave a review saying "oh its perfect i can click on things on my desktop" whereas someone who plays at tournaments or is dedicated to aim training will be very very critical- however with a lot more information. Every mouse will have issues, the closest thing to a "perfect" mouse we have right now is the Logitech G Pro X superlight (which is very pricey as it is their flagship mouse), which has top level features, 63g weight and a shape that is generally popular for 90% of players. Personally it never fit my grip style and I didn't like it as such, which goes to show you can never achieve true perfection for everyone.

I asked some friends who were top 1000 minecraft pvpers and their opinion is that the Roccat Kone Pro Air and the Glorious Model O are the two best on the current market for it. You'll need to download their software to adjust the debounce time but that takes like 30 seconds to do, so make sure he does that before testing his drag clicks. My personal pick would be the Model O based on its overall performance and standing. The features are good these days (the cable isn't perfect and is stiffer than a custom paracorded one or the bleeding edge of the market, although your son would never notice the difference), and they do have a good return policy if in the event it is defective. The Kain would be a reasonable option as well and if you can get it at a really good price it wouldn't be a bad idea to from a cost effectiveness standpoint, although unless its a big difference I personally wouldn't take it.

Sorry for being a little long winded but I hate people who drop 1 sentence reviews on things they don't understand, so I always try to get the most fair possible overview of each mouse.

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#2930376 16-Jun-2022 13:38

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So Roccat are an interesting brand, they generally haven't been keeping up with the top of the industry by not putting out new releases- but there are people who LOVE their shapes (the Roccat Kone and its many, many variants are reasonably popular as a niche mouse). The Kain is a little old and at 89g it is heavy, however its other general features are actually very solid (although the clicks can be described as a bit mushy by some players). A lighter mouse allows for lighter muscle fibre activations, resulting in both faster and smoother aiming, making it on of the most important features of a modern mouse for competitive gaming. Although it wouldn't really make much difference in Minecraft if that is all he plays.

Glorious generally have caught up with their quality control, the Model O is a very popular mid level mouse and the recent batches have had reasonable quality, I have several friends who have year old model O's and most have zero issues (side buttons can be a bit loose but he'll never notice realistically). Good quality control is generally a little bit luck based although small manufactures definitely suffer more than others. The Hati S was infamous for having issues with creaking but mine is built rock solid as an example.

Keep in mind I always give the negative with the positive on reviews, a non experienced player will leave a review saying "oh its perfect i can click on things on my desktop" whereas someone who plays at tournaments or is dedicated to aim training will be very very critical- however with a lot more information. Every mouse will have issues, the closest thing to a "perfect" mouse we have right now is the Logitech G Pro X superlight (which is very pricey as it is their flagship mouse), which has top level features, 63g weight and a shape that is generally popular for 90% of players. Personally it never fit my grip style and I didn't like it as such, which goes to show you can never achieve true perfection for everyone.

I asked some friends who were top 1000 minecraft pvpers and their opinion is that the Roccat Kone Pro Air and the Glorious Model O are the two best on the current market for it. You'll need to download their software to adjust the debounce time but that takes like 30 seconds to do, so make sure he does that before testing his drag clicks. My personal pick would be the Model O based on its overall performance and standing. The features are good these days (the cable isn't perfect and is stiffer than a custom paracorded one or the bleeding edge of the market, although your son would never notice the difference), and they do have a good return policy if in the event it is defective. The Kain would be a reasonable option as well and if you can get it at a really good price it wouldn't be a bad idea to from a cost effectiveness standpoint, although unless its a big difference I personally wouldn't take it.

Sorry for being a little long winded but I hate people who drop 1 sentence reviews on things they don't understand, so I always try to get the most fair possible overview of each mouse.

Hi. I really appreciate the response and time you took to provide the additional information.

I'll have a chat with him and see what he wants to do. I definitely don't want RSI issues as a result. I'm also told Click Dragging is frowned upon and can result in bans, and I did speak to him about it, and he said he only plays in his own SMP realm or other private ones...

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#2930414 16-Jun-2022 14:41

So, in older versions of Minecraft pvp (that some servers still use as many players preferred how combat was before they massively changed it in the more recent 1.9+ versions) you gain an advantage by having a higher number of clicks per second. The exact reasons are a bit weird but it allows for you to have a higher chance of hitting them before they hit you as you walk in range, and it also causes the games net code to bug out allowing you to recieve less knock back.

Drag clicking is a way of basically using a broken mouse (or making your mouse software disable the debounce delay that protects you from getting extra unwanted inputs) into make it think you are clicking dozens of times a second, by basically bouncing the mouse switch up and down as your finger rubs against the plastic of the shell. Anti macro detection can get your account suspended for this but to my understanding its relatively rare. I'm no expert in the scene but after asking a few people I know, to my understanding most people don't really drag click and its a niche thing that only some players find use for in which they can do very well by using it. It allows you to do some really weird stuff like this but the odds of him wanting to spend hundreds of hours of practice for such an incredibly difficult thing to do is low, especially for such a niche skill to have. Since drag clicking is visually extremely impressive a lot of youtube videos are made about it and its a way to get easy views, influencing new players into thinking its far more common than it is.

In all recent versions of minecraft the game has a speed cap on how fast you can click and rewards strikes at a slower pace, so you're clicking around once per second or so- meaning that drag clicking is quiet literally useless unless you are doing dedicated pvp on servers running pre 1.9 versions. While a LOT of servers do run older versions, if he's playing SMP with people its unlikely they would be using an old version just for combat knowing they lose the new combat (unless there's some kind of plugin I suppose).

If he's not super into pre 1.9 pvp or intends to use his mouse for other games, then drag clicking is basically an after thought. That said the model O is a good overall mouse that can be used for any game, the only real downside is that at 67g current bleeding edge mice will be lighter by simple virtue of the ultra light arms race always progressing. Last year few mice were below 70, now they are getting sub 60... although it's probably not going to make any difference for him unless he is trying to be the absolute best.

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#2930417 16-Jun-2022 14:45

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So, in older versions of Minecraft pvp (that some servers still use as many players preferred how combat was before they massively changed it in the more recent 1.9+ versions) you gain an advantage by having a higher number of clicks per second. The exact reasons are a bit weird but it allows for you to have a higher chance of hitting them before they hit you as you walk in range, and it also causes the games net code to bug out allowing you to recieve less knock back.

Drag clicking is a way of basically using a broken mouse (or making your mouse software disable the debounce delay that protects you from getting extra unwanted inputs) into make it think you are clicking dozens of times a second, by basically bouncing the mouse switch up and down as your finger rubs against the plastic of the shell. Anti macro detection can get your account suspended for this but to my understanding its relatively rare. I'm no expert in the scene but after asking a few people I know, to my understanding most people don't really drag click and its a niche thing that only some players find use for in which they can do very well by using it. It allows you to do some really weird stuff like this but the odds of him wanting to spend hundreds of hours of practice for such an incredibly difficult thing to do is low, especially for such a niche skill to have. Since drag clicking is visually extremely impressive a lot of youtube videos are made about it and its a way to get easy views, influencing new players into thinking its far more common than it is.

In all recent versions of minecraft the game has a speed cap on how fast you can click and rewards strikes at a slower pace, so you're clicking around once per second or so- meaning that drag clicking is quiet literally useless unless you are doing dedicated pvp on servers running pre 1.9 versions. While a LOT of servers do run older versions, if he's playing SMP with people its unlikely they would be using an old version just for combat knowing they lose the new combat (unless there's some kind of plugin I suppose).

If he's not super into pre 1.9 pvp or intends to use his mouse for other games, then drag clicking is basically an after thought. That said the model O is a good overall mouse that can be used for any game, the only real downside is that at 67g current bleeding edge mice will be lighter by simple virtue of the ultra light arms race always progressing. Last year few mice were below 70, now they are getting sub 60... although it's probably not going to make any difference for him unless he is trying to be the absolute best.

I really appreciate that information. I'll share it with him. I certainly have no issue spending on a gaming mouse in general, so I will likely just get him the one you recommend to be honest.

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#2930495 16-Jun-2022 17:00

Well to give you a list of my top mice (based on the needs/preference of what I would describe to be the average user, the actual ordering isn't too relevant as anything on this list is amazing, so keep that in mind. I'm excluding the finalmouse starlight 12 because its straight up impossible to get without buying it off some guy 2nd hand for some ludicrous price and the company are run by hypebeasts who are worse than apple and have zero refunds):

0.) Hati S - I'm biased so this is number 0 to keep it fair, it's a small mouse that weighs in at 49 grams which is pretty much the lightest you can find that isn't literally made of carbon fibre (zaunkoenig mk1 and mk2 but mother of god do not buy one unless you intend to set kovaaks world records and nothing else, its almost unusable for actual gaming) or mangesium alloy (finalmouse starlight 12, which in theory is probably the best in the world right now, but the company and scalpers make it just awful to even attempt to find and the thing will set you back 600+$ from second hand which is NOT worth it or acceptable). The Hati S's only real downside is that its quality control varies a fair bit, mine is rock solid but some people have creaky sides etc. Best for small/medium hands or fingertip grip, it's short so if you palm grip it's a non option.

1.) Razer Viper V2 Pro - this is Razer's (one of the two main flagship brands) flagship mouse and the competitor to the Logitech G Pro X (which is Logitech's flagship), this is a brand new release with absolute best of the best features in every regard and honestly is just really good at everything, except its annoyingly expensive since it's their front liner. 58 grams which right now is simply the best for a wireless mouse you can get that isn't tiny. A +/- is that it has no honeycombing holes, which some people hate the look of but for me simply make a mouse lighter with no downsides. Best for medium/large hands and supports all grip types.

2.) Logitech G pro X Superlight - Logitech's front liner, incredible specs in all regards, 63g, MASSIVELY popular, the dominating high end mouse for a year or so now (although the new viper v2 is reshaping that as we speak to be 50/50) The shape is very safe, it's a shape that basically anyone will be comfortable with although its not designed to be specialised for any one grip. Realistically this could easily be number 1 but the viper v2 is technically slightly lighter which makes it a percent better. Good for medium/large hands and any grip, cant really go wrong.

3.) Razer Viper Mini - I am biased towards this one since I set a lot of world records on it, but this is easily the best bang for your buck, unmatched price (one on amazon for 23usd at a cursory glance), incredible features, the mouse feet are perfect, the clicks are amazing, everything is good. It's perhaps the most well constructed mouse I've ever seen or ever even heard of, and in general is just a premium mouse for an unbeatable price. It's the most mentioned mouse you will find in big mouse communities along side the g pro's. The ONLY downside to it is that at 61g it isn't as light as the current bleeding edge (although the Viper Mini v2 has been teased), my Hati S is around the same size if a bit shorter and is 49, and the stock cable isn't as light as a custom one. Other than that there's really no complaints from me, although you can get mice that are probably better the sheer price to performance of this thing is insane. Best for small/medium hands, good for all grips although you may find it narrow with hands over 9cm in width.

4.) Cooler master MM730/MM731 (wired and unwired respectively), I have not personally owned this mouse yet but at an incredible 51 grams for wired and 58 for wireless with top features this is a crazy product that is pretty much universally beloved, and is one of the rarer ergonomic mouse shapes as symmetrical are popular these days. Coolermaster has struggled to get into the mouse game properly, this is a crazy step up. I would recommend looking into reviews if you are interested. Best for medium/large hands, good for claw or palm grip.

4.) Razer Orochi V2 - this is a weird one, it's wireless, great shape, 73g with sounds bad until you factor in it has a AAA battery in there for 900+ hour battery life which is just crazy. The thing with this mouse is that it's an egg shape, it's round all the way around. You will either love or hate the shape, If you love egg shapes this is easily your bet, if you don't or don't know then it'll feel awful in your hand. Good for egg shape enjoyers, bad for anyone who doesn't.

5.) Xtrfy M42 - Small, 60g mouse with a great cable and a great shape, top level features; it's just a good mouse. Maybe not the best ever, but certainly something I had a good time playing with.

6.) Pulsefire haste - Medium sized, 59g, great features, honestly just an amazing mid range mouse. If I was personally looking for a mid range mouse this would be my safe beat (after a viper mini, to which I am personally biased of course). Nothing ground breaking, just a good all rounder that is severely underrated.

I could go on but most of it is just stuff I like rather than truly think is the best. In your situation I would honestly go for the Model O as it is a good mouse with nothing wrong with it as long as Glorious is being as reliable as they've become (don't buy second hand, all their old original batches are dodgy as hell), and will be great for Minecraft as your son likes. It is a very very very popular mouse for Minecraft (frankly becoming overrated by the casual community as a result) so he'll likely fit in with the people he plays with. My personal favourite is of course the Hati S due to the unmatchable light weight, small size, great shape for fingertip aiming and general build/feel, but I am well aware of my own bias so take this with a grain of salt. And of course the Viper V2 Pro/G pro X is the one I would buy if I just wanted an all rounder thats great at everything without having specific requirements/preferences (IE, if i didn't like small mice and was more of a beginner both of these are easy picks) and didn't care too much about budget.

That's my overall thoughts, feel free to ask more questions if there's more stuff you want to know or more relevant info etc.

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#2930524 16-Jun-2022 19:24

Man back in the day nobody really bothered with niche things like tweaking debounce timing. Everyone played gunz on mx518’s and MS intellimouse in the net cafe and were good enough to do it on any hardware.

Funny enough the guys who did k/j (or whatever) style haven’t got RSI yet.

But yea tell your son it’s not worth any future pain, as advice from gaming predecessors 😂