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# 37622 15-Jul-2009 18:41
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Hi

Our Dad is going to get my brother and I a P.C for our room, we intend to use it for online gaming eg. WoW and some FPS',downloading music and storing our music library. Our usage will be quite high and we are both pretty good gamers so I think we will need something midrange but nothing to flash because we still have school and sport. Dad agreed to get us the computer on the condition we do the research and find the P.C that can handle what we want to do without being overly expensive. Niether my brother or I are that flash when it comes to our computer knowledge but after searching online and doing some asking around we think a custom built P.C would meet our needs more so than a standard computer from a everyday retailer eg. Noel Leeming.

I think I have found two good computers to choose between:

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83 Ghz Processor
ASUS P5KPL/1600
4Gb DDR2 Ram
500 Gb Hard Disc Drive 7200Rpm
PCI-Express Geforce 9800gt 512mb
Windows Vista Home Premium

OR

Intel Dual Core 2.7Ghz Processor
4Gb DDR2 Ram
640 Gb
Geforce 9500gt 1gb
Windows XP


Do you think either of these sounds like what my bro and I are looking for? Is one significantly better than the other? If so why? Is one close but needs upgrading? Are they both useless?


If you can answer some of these questions and explain the reasoning behind your decision it might help us to understand what we need to look for and also help us explain to our Dad when we come to a decision and he has to hand over his $ :p

Any help or advice you can offer would be awesome

Thanks heaps

P.S Sorry for writing a novel, its just we are both really keen for a computer

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Geek


  # 235811 15-Jul-2009 19:57
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I think I've seen a similar scenario before

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=50&topicid=37626

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Master Geek


  # 235968 16-Jul-2009 09:26
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:

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83 Ghz Processor
ASUS P5KPL/1600
4Gb DDR2 Ram
500 Gb Hard Disc Drive 7200Rpm
PCI-Express Geforce 9800gt 512mb
Windows Vista Home Premium



good processer and vid card MB not too bad either...

Cons

For Vista gaming you need 8GB ram to avoid real annoyance and also your OS should be 64 bit to take advantage of the extra RAM.

Vid cards are good (I have one) but there is still alot of problems with the 9800 series drivers (check out the Empire Total War forums for proof )

500 GB hard disk on a Vista platform used for gaming and media storage is way to little so target at least 800GB if not 1TB


OR

Intel Dual Core 2.7Ghz Processor
4Gb DDR2 Ram
640 Gb
Geforce 9500gt 1gb
Windows XP




aviod this processer for current gaming titles will be too slow.

RAM good for this OS but again the more the better.

good vid card

OS is old and will not be supported any longer.

 
 
 
 


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  # 235984 16-Jul-2009 09:44
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OMG, please don't listen to the above poster!!!  8GB for gaming on Vista? Crazy!  4GB is fine, honestly!


The 9500 is rubbish for gaming at decent resolutions.  Your father posted in another section of Geekzone where I've posted my reply:


http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=50&topicid=37626







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  # 235996 16-Jul-2009 10:02
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redjet: OMG, please don't listen to the above poster!!! ?8GB for gaming on Vista? Crazy! ?4GB is fine, honestly!






The 9500 is rubbish for gaming at decent resolutions. ?Your father posted in another section of Geekzone where I've posted my reply:






http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=50&topicid=37626











be it on your own head, try playing Empire Total War (the next gen of gaming capacity standards) with 4GB and you will soon be forking out to double it. Admittedly I bought the extra 4GB on my rig for my 3D modelling BUT it has improved ETW by a mile.

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  # 236021 16-Jul-2009 11:01
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ronindanbo:
be it on your own head, try playing Empire Total War (the next gen of gaming capacity standards) with 4GB and you will soon be forking out to double it. Admittedly I bought the extra 4GB on my rig for my 3D modelling BUT it has improved ETW by a mile.



I guess it all depends on what else you are running in the backgroud, plus what screen resolution you are playing at.  Anyway, for this build I just think that 8GB would be far too much and that 4gb is plenty to start with - they can always add another 4gb later on if required.




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  # 236022 16-Jul-2009 11:03
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fair enough

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  # 236063 16-Jul-2009 12:23
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ronindanbo: fair enough



Out of interest has anyone in the Empire Total War forums jumped from Vista to Windows 7?  Windows 7 uses far less resources than Vista so I'd expect better performance out og just 4gb RAM




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Master Geek


  # 236066 16-Jul-2009 12:25
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I really dont know, the OS isnt really the problem as I understand it it's the game compile using old technology and engine etc. using stronger and newer technology.

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  # 236077 16-Jul-2009 12:45
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redjet:
ronindanbo: fair enough





Out of interest has anyone in the Empire Total War forums jumped from Vista to Windows 7?  Windows 7 uses far less resources than Vista so I'd expect better performance out og just 4gb RAM



I use Win7 with 4gb of ram and play ETW. It works fine with no problems. (For graphics i use a 4870 512mb)

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Master Geek


  # 236599 18-Jul-2009 02:56

Custom built PC's are better in the sense that they can be built to your specs and budget, but, apart from basic parts guarantee, if anything goes wrong with your system you'll likely be left in the cold when it comes to support. Whereas retail stores will do or get done most repairs.



Having said that. I would go custom.



Save a few dollars by going Core 2 Duo (e7300 or similar), rather than Quad core and buy a good Name/Brand power supply unit that's around 400w-450w and provides plenty amps on the 12v rail.



I also suggest comparing the 9800gt against the HD4850, then make your decision on video card.



(e7300 or similar)

ASUS P5KPL/1600

4Gb DDR2 Ram

500 Gb Hard Disc Drive 7200Rpm

PCI-Express Geforce 9800gt 512mb

400w-450w Power supply unit

Windows Vista Home Premium



Should be more than adequate for what you need atm. Just my 2c





Cheers ;-)

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  # 236756 18-Jul-2009 21:25
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", if anything goes wrong with your system you'll likely be left in the cold when it comes to support."

Pffft.

That's what geekzone's for :D




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Master Geek


  # 236895 19-Jul-2009 16:09

Pffft??? You can't be accused of Excess Verbosity here... I didn't realize Geekzone does home visits to fix broken hardware...

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