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#847402 30-Jun-2013 15:15

NZVengeance: House has more than 48 ports. Every room has multiple. Dont like have to run cables if you reareange a room. And since im cabling it myself I may as well do it right.

The poe switch will be powering more than two APs. It will power cameras and all of the control interfaces for the home automation in each room.

In which case your selection of switches become more critical. Best practicve would distate VLAN isolation of such services which instantly means you're going to need a router capable of such doing this. If I was designing such a network there an off the shelf router isn't an option - it's going to mean something powerful enough to do this such as a Mikrotik that's configured to your requrements.

What are you using for CCTV?

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#847407 30-Jun-2013 15:39

sbiddle:

In which case your selection of switches become more critical. Best practicve would distate VLAN isolation of such services which instantly means you're going to need a router capable of such doing this. If I was designing such a network there an off the shelf router isn't an option - it's going to mean something powerful enough to do this such as a Mikrotik that's configured to your requrements.

What are you using for CCTV?

I haven't decided yet. It is something I will be discussing with the people who are doing the home automation.

I admit I am a little confused with what "distate VLAN isolation of such services" means. Still learning

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#847410 30-Jun-2013 15:48

Bad spelling, I mean dictate VLAN isolation of services. If you're going to be running multiple services such as VoIP, CCTV, home automation, security etc along with general internet traffic then best practice is to fully isolate these networks from each other by running them on their own VLAN.

To do this you'll need a VLAN capable switch, and a router capable of supporting multiple VLAN's.

In terms of CCTV there are only two brands of gear that I recommend - Dahua and Mobotix.

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#847414 30-Jun-2013 16:01

OK that makes more sense to me now.
I had a look at the data sheet for the Dlink unit I am looking it.
It has some automated setup stuff for VOIP and IP Surveillance.

Quoted from the data sheet:

The D-Link Web Smart Switches automate the process of setting up IP surveillance and VoIP devices on a network. Auto Surveillance VLAN consolidates data and surveillance video transmission through the network, sparing businesses the expense of maintaining dedicated facilities. ASV also protects the quality of real-time video by grouping IP surveillance devices on a single high priority VLAN.

VLAN
802.1Q
VLAN GroupMax - 256 static VLAN groupsMax - 4094 VIDs
Management VLAN
Asymmetric VLAN
Auto Voice VLAN - Max. 10 user-defined OUI - Max. 8 default OUI
Auto Surveillance VLAN

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#847431 30-Jun-2013 16:58

sbiddle: it's going to mean something powerful enough to do this such as a Mikrotik that's configured to your requirements.

Do you have any particular models you would suggest? based on what I've told you so far?

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#847437 30-Jun-2013 17:17

NZVengeance:
sbiddle: it's going to mean something powerful enough to do this such as a Mikrotik that's configured to your requirements.

Do you have any particular models you would suggest? based on what I've told you so far?

My favourite device right now is the RB2011 series, there are a few different models depending on your requirements.

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#847468 30-Jun-2013 18:20

+1 for the RB2011

I've had one on the end of my UFB for month now with no problems at all.

It will do everything someone will want it to do, but you'll have to work out how :-)

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#847505 30-Jun-2013 21:03

Something like MikroTik RB/2011UAS-RM?

http://www.gowifi.co.nz/coming-soon-new-products/mikrotik-rb/2011uas-rm.html

seems really cheap vs. in store higher end modem/routers

I guess those have Wi-Fi built in as well which this doesn't (which is fine, I prefer it that way)

I also like the fact that this unit is rack mountable so it can go in my patch panel.

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#850112 6-Jul-2013 14:22

NZVengeance: Something like MikroTik RB/2011UAS-RM?

http://www.gowifi.co.nz/coming-soon-new-products/mikrotik-rb/2011uas-rm.html

seems really cheap vs. in store higher end modem/routers

I guess those have Wi-Fi built in as well which this doesn't (which is fine, I prefer it that way)

I also like the fact that this unit is rack mountable so it can go in my patch panel.

You mean it can go in your rack next to the patch panel...

Since you are into DIY, you could go for a pfSense firewall/router on your choice of hardware but maybe too much of a learning curve for that too.

The local VLAN function could be setup in a managed switch but I would say the "autosetup" in the DLink would be QoS priorities for different types of traffic.

If you want to guarantee availability for the cameras without compromising security then probably Mobotix would be the cameras to go for, they aren't sensitive to bursty networks but again theres a bit of a learning curve to setup each camera to record what you need and set the NAS to allocate how much video to store. Yeah you might need a NAS in the cabinet too, Netgear maybe not quite so bad in this category but worth spending on enterprise-class hard drives.

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#850121 6-Jul-2013 14:50

NZVengeance: Something like MikroTik RB/2011UAS-RM?

http://www.gowifi.co.nz/coming-soon-new-products/mikrotik-rb/2011uas-rm.html

seems really cheap vs. in store higher end modem/routers

I guess those have Wi-Fi built in as well which this doesn't (which is fine, I prefer it that way)

I also like the fact that this unit is rack mountable so it can go in my patch panel.

Out of interest if you brought a fibre sfp for that could you get rid of the chorus ONT?

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#850126 6-Jul-2013 15:21

Since you are into DIY, you could go for a pfSense firewall/router on your choice of hardware but maybe too much of a learning curve for that too.

pfsense is a hell of a lot easier than RouterOS though.

Out of interest if you brought a fibre sfp for that could you get rid of the chorus ONT

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#850129 6-Jul-2013 15:30

Hi, no the fibre SFP is not GPON capable its for point to point ethernet fibre, so if you were to order up a GigE point to point link from chorus then yes it would work but GPON, no.

And to echo others responses, the Mikrotiks are great devices, there is a steep learing curve, but heaps of features and performance.

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#850130 6-Jul-2013 15:32

Out of interest if you brought a fibre sfp for that could you get rid of the chorus ONT?

No as the ONT is not just a media convertor it s also used for connection identification and trafic management

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#850133 6-Jul-2013 15:35

InstallerUFB:

Out of interest if you brought a fibre sfp for that could you get rid of the chorus ONT?

No as the ONT is not just a media convertor it s also used for connection identification and trafic management

I dont know of any SFP modules that do GPON/GEM only ethernet or SDI/HDI, hence the ONT is required.

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#850134 6-Jul-2013 15:37

Another A+++ for the RB2011, been using one since around August 2012 on a UFB connection - no problems so far, very happy with it.

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