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#123226 29-Jun-2013 14:17

Hi Guys,
New to the forums and thought i would pick some brains.

At the end of the year I will be moving into a new house that has Fiber 100/50 capabilities.
I will be wiring the house for Ethernet my self and installing a patch-panel.

I plan on having a couple of Wireless N MIMO APs which will be powered by PoE

The electricians who are doing the rest of the house are going to prep the home for fiber as per Orcon's spec.

My Question is what are my options for a UFB router that will integrate with a reasonably high tech setup but is not convoluted to configure and manage.

Also not sure if it matters or not but i plan on running a VOIP PBX system in the future as well.

Not sure if its relevant but this is the other hardware that is likely going into the patch-panel

Dlink DGS-1210-28 24 port gigabit switch
Dlink DGS-1210-28P 24 port PoE gigabit switch
Dlink DAP-2690 Poe Wireless N PoE Access Point

Cheers,

Gavin

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#847129 29-Jun-2013 14:19

Assuming you're plannin on using Orcon they supply a router for you. Virtually every ISP offering UFB will supply a router as standard.

Those AP's are also very overpriced, you can buy much better kit for a lot less.

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#847137 29-Jun-2013 14:53

In regards to the AP's

What can I get that are the same/better for the same price

bearing in mind it has the following:

1. Simultaneous 2.4GHz/5GHz
2. MIMO
3. Powered by PoE
4. High gain antennae

I looked but couldn't find anything as good

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#847139 29-Jun-2013 15:01

Also from experience the routers or modems you get from an ISP are of pretty poor quality and have reliability issues.

I have no problem spending a bit more money on a quality product.

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#847216 29-Jun-2013 19:13

UniFi Pro's are about $200 less than that.

There is no such thing as the "perfect" router. You're really going to need to explain what your requirements are, because this will dictate what the most suitable product is.

Personally I love Mikrotik gear as it's rock solid and amazingly powerful. It's also totally unsuitable for 99% of people due to the learning curve of RouterOS.

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#847229 29-Jun-2013 20:10

How good are the unifi? I am always a bit cautious when it comes to brands of never heard of.
Also I can get Netgear cheaper as I work in the industry.

I am assuming this is the model you were referring to? http://www.gowifi.co.nz/ubiquiti-networks/ubiquiti-networks-radios/ubiquiti-unifi-pro-802.11n-access-point-uap-pro.html

I think that Mikrotik stuff is probably more effort for me that its worth. As if I'm not around someone else needs to be able to figure it out.

I currently have a Netgear DGND3700

It says that it supports fibre but as I am fairly ignorant as to how UFB works I am unsure.

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#847279 29-Jun-2013 22:57

Unifi gear is really good for the $$$, have about 6 of the AP-LR's around the place for Client/Internal WiFi.

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#847305 30-Jun-2013 08:54

+1 for the unifi , run it home and its excellent.

+1 for staying away from cheap routers, good to hear some one saying they are prepared to pay a bit more for quality, a man after my own heart.

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#847322 30-Jun-2013 09:29

While me are o n the subject of routers and APs

802.11ac
I realise that there are currently very few devices out there that support it. However is it true that by being capable of achieving a higher speed your 300mbps devices will operate at a higher average speed.

my understanding was that if your whole system is 300 (AP & client) you will still never achieve 300.
but with ac because it does 450-1300 (depending on the unit) you should be able to maintain 300mbps on those devices that are 300.

please let me know if I am wrong

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#847329 30-Jun-2013 09:55

NZVengeance: While me are o n the subject of routers and APs

802.11ac
I realise that there are currently very few devices out there that support it. However is it true that by being capable of achieving a higher speed your 300mbps devices will operate at a higher average speed.

my understanding was that if your whole system is 300 (AP & client) you will still never achieve 300.
but with ac because it does 450-1300 (depending on the unit) you should be able to maintain 300mbps on those devices that are 300.

please let me know if I am wrong

802.11ac is a daft standard that may or may not deliver a performance gain depending on the noise in the environment you're attempting to use it is. It may also require throwing out your new ac hardware in a year when the standard is finalised because it's unlikely that any current ac hardware will be able to be fully compliant with the final ac standard.

At the end of the day if you want fast speeds wireless isn't the solution you're after. It's a complementary solution to go with wired Ethernet, it's not a replacement. In a goof RF environment with good draft ac kit you should be able to see average speeds of around 200Mbps - 250Mbps with peaks into the 300's. Because 5Ghz won't travel well through buildings you'll see this crash very quickly as signal strength drops off.

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#847330 30-Jun-2013 09:57

As for routers for fibre the main requirement you're after is the ability to tag the WAN interface with a 802.1q tag of 10. While your ISP can offer an untagged UNNI port to remove this requirement you'll then lose the dedicated CIR which you would want to use for VoIP.

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#847332 30-Jun-2013 10:07

NZVengeance: How good are the unifi? I am always a bit cautious when it comes to brands of never heard of.
Also I can get Netgear cheaper as I work in the industry.

Ubiquiti gear (despite it's faults) is literally hundreds of times better than both Dlink and Netgear - two vendors that I would never touch based on so many poor experiences with their products.

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#847356 30-Jun-2013 11:53

sbiddle:
NZVengeance: How good are the unifi? I am always a bit cautious when it comes to brands of never heard of.
Also I can get Netgear cheaper as I work in the industry.

Ubiquiti gear (despite it's faults) is literally hundreds of times better than both Dlink and Netgear - two vendors that I would never touch based on so many poor experiences with their products.

So if you were going to buy 2 switches. both 24 port gigabit but one which was PoE.
What would you buy?

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#847376 30-Jun-2013 13:43

NZVengeance:
sbiddle:
NZVengeance: How good are the unifi? I am always a bit cautious when it comes to brands of never heard of.
Also I can get Netgear cheaper as I work in the industry.

Ubiquiti gear (despite it's faults) is literally hundreds of times better than both Dlink and Netgear - two vendors that I would never touch based on so many poor experiences with their products.

So if you were going to buy 2 switches. both 24 port gigabit but one which was PoE.
What would you buy?

Dlink switches aren't bad, but it seem complete overkill to buy a 24 port PoE switch just to power 2 AP's.

Once again recommending a switch depends entirely on the features you're after. The reasona a single 24 port switch can vary from $60 to $600 is because of the capabilities.

If you're just after a level entry switch you'll find it hard to beat the pricing of Level One gear switches.

Out of curiosity why do you need 48 ports in a house?

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#847390 30-Jun-2013 14:36

House has more than 48 ports. Every room has multiple. Dont like have to run cables if you reareange a room. And since im cabling it myself I may as well do it right.

The poe switch will be powering more than two APs. It will power cameras and all of the control interfaces for the home automation in each room.

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#847395 30-Jun-2013 14:58

Unless you want high end managed switched I would recommend Level one also. We use Cisco SMB series (300 and 200) at work where we need more features but tis a step up in price.

For a router if you don't want to sue your ISP's I would recommend either Mikrotik or PFSense - both have IPv6 support.

And yes Ubiquiti is a decent brand. Their airvision software is improving and while the camera quality is marginal - the low prices combined with (now) good software is a good option to look at also.

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