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Topic # 115033 11-Mar-2013 17:54
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Hi there,

I'm currently in a flat in Dunedin, with 5 of us.
We are using a Thomson TG585v7 (yes very old).

The problem at the moment is that wireless cutting out occasionally (i.e actually disconnecting and the network not being available for a min or so, but then it will come back automatically and work fine for a while before happening again), the other thing is the internet seems to be being hogged at times (I suspect one of the flatmates gaming or downloading, but don't want to go accusing anyone at random).

I have read about DD-WRT (and QoS) which I believe would help the second (main) problem. The first problem is no real biggy, but would be nice to fix (I have tried wifi analyser; and our wifi is channel 13; with all other neighbouring ones being either 2 or 6, so interference doesn't appear to be a problem [I have noticed one popping in and out occasionally on channel 11 however]. The router doesn't have a filter, but I have a filter installed between the phone and the jackpoint (so I'm assuming this is right?)).

Thus, I am happy to buy a new router, but have no idea where to start or which specs would be best. People have told me routers barely matter in NZ because our speeds are so crap, but I'm not so sure.

Are there any recommendations on specifications that will cope with 5 people on the internet better (I will be  using QoS to stop hogging by games/youtube/torrents)? I am looking to spend somewhere between 50-100 [on trademe or something as second hand doesn't bother me]; maybe more if this really would make a difference and be worth spending extra money on (ie for future proofing etc).

Not really too sure of the benefits of dual-band etc, and have tried researching but still don't really understand it, so if you are recommending to spend a little more for a feature like this I would appreciate an explanation on how this would be an improvement on one without it.

Thanks so much in advance!



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  Reply # 778499 12-Mar-2013 13:07
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When you run N, G and B wifi clients on the same band the access point has to run in a mixed mode slowing down for the slower clients. Simultaneous dual band generally allows you to run N clients on 5Ghz and G/B on 2.4Ghz so N clients aren't slowed down by mixed mode on a single band.

So long story short:
Dual band is good if the 2.4Ghz frequency is your area is crowded and if you have clients capable of 5Ghz N.

Note: Be aware some devices claim to be dual band but aren't simultaneous dual band (can't run 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz at the same time only one or the other), this is lame and should be avoided if you want to run 5Ghz N clients.

Modem/Router for the flat:
I would definitely recommend you go with 3rd party open source firmware that has QoS and usage monitoring features. There are generally no good all in ones that can run 3rd party firmware so you need to go separate DSL modem from the router.

For the modem look at the Drayek Vigor 120, which can do a PPPoA to PPPoE bridge to a router (solves double NAT issue when running two devices on NZ DSL which generally uses PPPoA).

For the router pick one that is supported by the firmware you want to run. Personally I'd look at Gargoyle Router or one of the Tomato USB Mod's over DD-WRT.




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  Reply # 781478 14-Mar-2013 11:04
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Thanks Ragnor, 
Good to know about the dual band, and thats helpful about buying a separate modem/router.



Is there any reason for preferring those over DD-WRT? 

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  Reply # 782421 15-Mar-2013 18:31
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To be fair I haven't really used DD-WRT very recently but I used Tomato (Toastman's mod) on my old Linksys WRT54GL over DD-WRT because it had a better QoS system. This old boy was plugged into a UPS and had over 300 days uptime at one point.

Recently I've put Gargoyle Router on a few TP Link TL-WR1043ND's at a couple of places (note: this is not a wifi dual band router), it's a great bang for buck option.

Gargoyle Router has good: quota, QoS and bandwidth usage graphs inbuilt in the web ui, have a look at the screenshots:
http://www.gargoyle-router.com/wiki/doku.php?id=screenshots




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  Reply # 783143 17-Mar-2013 22:14
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Oh ok cool,
Yes I think I like the look of gargoyle much better!

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