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Topic # 127446 10-Aug-2013 12:38
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I've got Chorus coming on Tuesday to install VDSL at my property. At this point I am wondering if I need to put some thought into where I want the VDSL jackpoint located... or will they be able to use my existing wiring?

Sorry, this might be long-winded, so bear with me while I explain my current set-up. My house is on a hillside, and it's 2-level with an A-frame ceiling upstairs (so the side walls are short and there's a crawl-space behind them that runs the length of the house). At the front the property is 3 stories high, with the carport going underneath the house. That's where the Telecom, power and water connections come in, just at the edge of the concrete parking pad.


This is a photo of my line in. As you can see, it appears to be split right at the entry point. In the second photo, it shows the two lines going in separate directions. The right-hand line is immediately split into two (that's the tangle of bare wiring and connectors barely visible under the green and black cables to the right of the picture). One bit goes directly up and is the jackpoint installed by the Sky technician when they put in our digital decoder, presumably for future cable connections? The other bit runs around to the front of the house and terminates at our telephone jackpoint in the front of the living room. The left cable meanders off under the house and at some point goes up through the walls. I believe it ends in the upstairs master bedroom, which is where I have this:


Yes, it says "Jetstart" - that's how long ago it was put in, LOL. The box beside it is a functioning telephone jack. At the time of installation, that room was the computer room, however now it's back to being the master bedroom, and therefore I got Telecom out to move the broadband connection to the rumpus room, which involved them running a cable out of the jetstart box, along the skirting, into the crawl-space and popping out of the wall below the computer desk. I measured it at 9 metres. I don't know what cables have been used. The house was built in 1993, if that's any guide as to the main wiring.

So, my questions - is that thing where the cables come up from the ground a splitter? Or just two phone lines? Is the thing in the master bedroom the splitter?

Assuming the line is only split in the bedroom, if I want the VDSL jackpoint in the upstairs computer room, is the Chorus tech likely to be able to do that given he has no access to running cabling up through the walls of the house, and it's essentially 3 stories off the ground? Or do I need to pick a new location in the living room downstairs (which can be easily accessed from the carport ceiling below it)? And if so, will having the modem downstairs and the main computer upstairs mean a crappy wireless signal? The house is not big - 129sqm, and there's no steel framing bar two girders under the ground floor. The main computer is a 2008 Mac Pro, which is not wireless capable, but I've tested an Edimax wireless USB adapter in it, and achieved almost identical speeds to the cabled connection. Granted, the wireless modem (a Time Capsule with Airport Extreme) was only 2m away.

If the modem goes in the living room, can it be situated on the home entertainment system cabinet, or will that be too much interference? There's a MySky decoder, a DLNA capable home theatre system and a TV there, plus cabled speakers to each side. There is another spot on the other side of the room, on top of a tall bookcase, which is rather central, but through the wall behind it is the master electrical circuit breaker box.

Sorry for all the (probably silly) questions, but I'd really like to be prepared when the guy shows up, and to make decisions that will give me the best chance at achieving my optimum connection speed.




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  Reply # 875047 10-Aug-2013 13:02
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There is probably an old splitter in your ETP (that white box outside), with a separate feed up to the Jetstart outlet.



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  Reply # 875052 10-Aug-2013 13:14
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That would certainly be the best scenario - obviously I'd like the best connection close to the main computer. How does the upstairs phone jack work, if that's the case? I would be happy to lose that, given my upstairs phone is cordless and doesn't need a jack point. I presume, even if that line is currently only split in the bedroom, they could repurpose it for VDSL only?

Edited to add: I've just remembered my burglar alarm is wired to phone me if it goes off. No idea where that's connected. Fingers crossed it's on the other set of lines.




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  Reply # 875075 10-Aug-2013 14:09
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I've been into the ceiling crawl space - and what a terrifying journey that was! Disturbingly, it looks like the "jetstart" extension that the ADSL modem is currently plugged into of is then extended to the new burglar alarm - the wire goes into the back of the broadband jackpoint box, then comes out and runs along the wall to the alarm brain. Can that be right? If that's the case, I guess I need to start thinking about positions for a brand new VDSL only jackpoint.

Crikey this is confusing!




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  Reply # 875076 10-Aug-2013 14:11
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You probably need to pull those jacks off the wall in the old office, and see what the wiring is behind them. Those white cables can carry more than one pair of wires, so one cable could be feeding the DSL and phone jacks.

You could also pop the front cover off the ETP, and take a photo of that.



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  Reply # 875090 10-Aug-2013 14:40
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RunningMan: You probably need to pull those jacks off the wall in the old office, and see what the wiring is behind them. Those white cables can carry more than one pair of wires, so one cable could be feeding the DSL and phone jacks.

You could also pop the front cover off the ETP, and take a photo of that.


Okay, thanks, I will try that later today.

ETA: Here is a photo of the boxes in the master bedroom. Sadly I don't have the right kind of screwdriver to get the face off the one outside.



So the Jetstart is the one on the right, which is extended to the computer room, and which seems to have the burglar alarm daisy-chained off of that. It wouldn't be very suitable for the VDSL based on that alone, I am assuming? Or does it make little difference if the alarm is not actively monitored. The guy who installed it promised me it wouldn't affect my connection (I do remember asking him that, now I think of it).




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  Reply # 875096 10-Aug-2013 15:12
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So the Jetstart is the one on the right, which is extended to the computer room, and which seems to have the burglar alarm daisy-chained off of that. It wouldn't be very suitable for the VDSL based on that alone, I am assuming? Or does it make little difference if the alarm is not actively monitored. The guy who installed it promised me it wouldn't affect my connection (I do remember asking him that, now I think of it).


Hmm, if the alarm wasn't to affect your connection, then it should be on the voice side of the splitter, not the xDSL side... Oh well, now's the time to get it sorted.

The ideal solution is a new VDSL rated splitter installed in the ETP, with a new twisted pair going to the modem jack. The voice side of the splitter then runs through the alarm, then on to the various voice jacks around the house.



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  Reply # 875111 10-Aug-2013 15:49
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RunningMan: Hmm, if the alarm wasn't to affect your connection, then it should be on the voice side of the splitter, not the xDSL side... Oh well, now's the time to get it sorted.

The ideal solution is a new VDSL rated splitter installed in the ETP, with a new twisted pair going to the modem jack. The voice side of the splitter then runs through the alarm, then on to the various voice jacks around the house.


Yes, I agree. The main concern is that I don't see how Chorus will get a new twisted pair run through to the modem jack, since the wiring to that was installed when the walls were off during the building of the house. Ideally they'd put a new one in the current computer room, but unless they go up the outside of the house and drill through the cladding, I'm not sure how it could be achieved. Which takes me back to trying to decide the best place downstairs to put a modem without affecting the wireless signal to the computer upstairs.

Once the xDSL is turned off, I assume that the ADSL side of the existing split in the bedroom goes dead? So I should definitely get them to rewire that split in the bedroom so that the extension to the alarm goes from the voice side of it, right? And that would effectively make where my modem currently plugs in into a phone jack?

Just to confuse me further, I just had a look at where my modem currently plugs in, and what's that? A plug-in splitter? Why would I need that if it's already split in the bedroom? I think my head may explode.







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  Reply # 875139 10-Aug-2013 17:16
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I think that's just a BT to RJ11 adaptor.




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  Reply # 875141 10-Aug-2013 17:18
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Looks to me like this is just an adaptor from BT (British Telecom) to RJ11. Not doing any filtering/splitting so nothing to worry about!

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  Reply # 875178 10-Aug-2013 18:56
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littleheaven:
RunningMan: Hmm, if the alarm wasn't to affect your connection, then it should be on the voice side of the splitter, not the xDSL side... Oh well, now's the time to get it sorted.

The ideal solution is a new VDSL rated splitter installed in the ETP, with a new twisted pair going to the modem jack. The voice side of the splitter then runs through the alarm, then on to the various voice jacks around the house.


Yes, I agree. The main concern is that I don't see how Chorus will get a new twisted pair run through to the modem jack, since the wiring to that was installed when the walls were off during the building of the house.


How many of those jackpoints do you use? Would using an old cable to pull through a new one, then replacing the jack with one just for the vdsl, be an option?



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  Reply # 875199 10-Aug-2013 20:06
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PaulBags:How many of those jackpoints do you use? Would using an old cable to pull through a new one, then replacing the jack with one just for the vdsl, be an option?


That's a relief about the little plug thingy :)

I really only use 2 jackpoints in the house, one downstairs for the phone and the one upstairs for the modem, but the alarm daisy-chains off of that, so im not sure i can dedicate it to VDSL because of that. Potentially they might be able to use the old cord to pull the new through, but I have no idea where the one in the upstairs room comes from. If I'm right, it goes through several internal walls via the linen closet, which I'm suspecting might make it difficulty to do.

I have, however, possibly worked out how Chorus could get a new cable to the right spot, by running it up the house support pole, across the carport ceiling, up through a small hole in the decking of the back porch (which is up the stairs from the carport), up the corner of the porch and through the cladding of the porch overhang, which will have it pop up into the crawl space right behind the computer, and will be a heck of a lot shorter than the current one. That way I can dedicate the other upstairs line as voice only and can use it as a phone jack with the alarm coming off it.

Thanks for all the info and suggestions, it's been really helpful! Plus my trip into the crawl space produced some items for the impending inorganic collection. :)




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