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Topic # 192184 1-Mar-2016 10:28
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Hi All

 

Iv been going mad trying to figure out how to connect point A to point B for network access.

 

  • Point A to Point B is 12km - 16km
  • Weather conditions are shocking in Dallas.
  • Cannot lay cat5 or 6 from point A to B, far too expensive. Site is extremely remote.
  • Wifi is somewhat impossible due to a massive mountain between the 2 points.
  • Climate is crazy...winds, snow etc
  • Do have a power line going from point A to point B.
  • Point A has a 50mb internet connection and point B has 1.5mb, Each connect to their own junction box...extremely slow

Any ideas?

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1502003 1-Mar-2016 10:40
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Hi who owns the power line run, is it a utility or is it yours on private land, if the latter then run an overhead fibre run below the power feed.

 

Cyril


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  Reply # 1502060 1-Mar-2016 11:45
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Or something like SkyWrap, assuming the power line is overhead - https://www.aflglobal.com/Products/Fiber-Optic-Cable/Skywrap/SkyWrap.aspx

 

 




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  Reply # 1502407 1-Mar-2016 20:30
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Cyril,  not possible...power is owned by the providers.

 

Uber : wow that looks cool, unfortunately the power gets knocked down due to the awesome crazy climate conditions

 

 





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  Reply # 1502439 1-Mar-2016 20:45
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Why do you need to connect them? What kind of bandwidth do you need, and what's your budget? Satellite could work.

 

You could be SOL.





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  Reply # 1502445 1-Mar-2016 20:51
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timmmay:

Why do you need to connect them? What kind of bandwidth do you need, and what's your budget? Satellite could work.


You could be SOL.



They are 2 workplaces in extremely remOTE places...they need a proper network....something about health and safety :)
They got a quote to lay cable and was about $90k usd, they don't have that budget

I did recommend satalite (exede), but the clients are very confident it won't work in winter.
Heavy snow storms, crazy winds etc.

SOL? Sexy old lady?




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  Reply # 1502448 1-Mar-2016 20:57
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(Something) outa luck. If a cable is out, and wireless is out, that leaves magic. Either requirements, budget or constraints need to be reconsidered.




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  Reply # 1502453 1-Mar-2016 21:00
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BinaryLimited:
timmmay:

 

Why do you need to connect them? What kind of bandwidth do you need, and what's your budget? Satellite could work.

 

 

 

You could be SOL.

 



They are 2 workplaces in extremely remOTE places...they need a proper network....something about health and safety :)
They got a quote to lay cable and was about $90k usd, they don't have that budget

I did recommend satalite (exede), but the clients are very confident it won't work in winter.
Heavy snow storms, crazy winds etc.

SOL? Sexy old lady?

 

s**t out of luck





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  Reply # 1502467 1-Mar-2016 21:18
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timmmay: (Something) outa luck. If a cable is out, and wireless is out, that leaves magic. Either requirements, budget or constraints need to be reconsidered.


Magic would be great.
Totally agree!

Was hoping there was some sort of ethernet over power device that can transfer data 16km away, but dont think that's possible.
Point a and point b each have a Telco junction box, is a Telco able to create a direct line within their network? A and B are in different towns.




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  Reply # 1502480 1-Mar-2016 21:47
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BinaryLimited:
timmmay: (Something) outa luck. If a cable is out, and wireless is out, that leaves magic. Either requirements, budget or constraints need to be reconsidered.


Magic would be great.
Totally agree!

Was hoping there was some sort of ethernet over power device that can transfer data 16km away, but dont think that's possible.
Point a and point b each have a Telco junction box, is a Telco able to create a direct line within their network? A and B are in different towns.

 

Sounds like you want a classic leased connection (if it needs to be private) or a VPN over the Internet you say they already have. A 1.5Mbps ("T1") connection is fast enough for anything but multiple streams of HD video or streaming audio content. Why is their current capacity maxed? Maybe get a second T1 at the small (connection) site? 

 

I used to work for AT&T and spec-ing network requirements - pre-sales - was one of my many jobs. 

 

 





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  Reply # 1502504 1-Mar-2016 22:32
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Unless you could put wireless APs on the top of the mountain.. probably aren't many other options


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  Reply # 1502549 2-Mar-2016 07:00
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Yeah that's what I was wondering, what do you need more than 1.5Mbps for in a remote site?

 

You could get some of those quantum wifi extenders... from the year 2062.





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  Reply # 1502582 2-Mar-2016 08:22
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Linuxluver:

BinaryLimited:
timmmay: (Something) outa luck. If a cable is out, and wireless is out, that leaves magic. Either requirements, budget or constraints need to be reconsidered.


Magic would be great.
Totally agree!

Was hoping there was some sort of ethernet over power device that can transfer data 16km away, but dont think that's possible.
Point a and point b each have a Telco junction box, is a Telco able to create a direct line within their network? A and B are in different towns.


Sounds like you want a classic leased connection (if it needs to be private) or a VPN over the Internet you say they already have. A 1.5Mbps ("T1") connection is fast enough for anything but multiple streams of HD video or streaming audio content. Why is their current capacity maxed? Maybe get a second T1 at the small (connection) site? 


I used to work for AT&T and spec-ing network requirements - pre-sales - was one of my many jobs. 


 



Good Morning!

Leased line, couldn't think of that name! I believe a leased line will work.
The company is a mine, so there's tons and tons of data being passed in and out.

Health and safety is key, this goes hand in hand with redundancy.
There also also many cameras for security but mainly health and safety.

I believe if I can fix their current camera setup (stores locally and syncs on schedule with point B) , that should free up the line.

Are leased lines expensive?







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  Reply # 1502632 2-Mar-2016 09:05
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timmmay:

Yeah that's what I was wondering, what do you need more than 1.5Mbps for in a remote site?


You could get some of those quantum wifi extenders... from the year 2062.



Tons of things run on this network, the mine has all sorts of things. I believe, by creating a leased line for 'local'data...it should free up the Internet line.

Should I speak to the guy from quantum leap? Haha.





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  Reply # 1505028 2-Mar-2016 15:54
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BinaryLimited: Was hoping there was some sort of ethernet over power device that can transfer data 16km away, but dont think that's possible.
Point a and point b each have a Telco junction box, is a Telco able to create a direct line within their network? A and B are in different towns.

 

But you said the power gets knocked out?  So how is that better than a fibre wrap?




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  Reply # 1505040 2-Mar-2016 16:02
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ubergeeknz:

BinaryLimited: Was hoping there was some sort of ethernet over power device that can transfer data 16km away, but dont think that's possible.
Point a and point b each have a Telco junction box, is a Telco able to create a direct line within their network? A and B are in different towns.


But you said the power gets knocked out?  So how is that better than a fibre wrap?



Not sure, haven't been on site yet. The person on site I liase with believes it will work. They also have power backups in place.

Seems like a cheaper solution and the company wouldn't have to keep repairing the fibre lines. The utilities company fixes and maintains the aboveground power lines




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