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Topic # 195198 9-Apr-2016 22:15
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I recently went from a 30mbps / 10mbps fibre plan to a a 100mbps / 20mbps fibre plan. They sent me a new white orcon modem / router which works great, I was thinking that I might use the older black genius orcon one as an access point or repeater at the back of the house where there is a weaker signal. I found several web sites that talk about this type of thing, but not with my specific old modem / router. All attempts I have made to configure it seem to fail. Is it actually possible to achieve what I was wanting to do? And if so how can it be done?


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  Reply # 1529278 9-Apr-2016 22:23
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When I was upgraded from the black to the white Genius router, Orcon asked for the old one back.





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  Reply # 1529280 9-Apr-2016 22:25
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how did you have it setup?

 

assign it a static IP address outside of the DHCP range of your router, turn off DHCP on it, plug lan port to lan port, set up SSID and Password which can be the same as the router.


 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 1529281 9-Apr-2016 22:28
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When I was upgraded from the black to the white Genius router, Orcon asked for the old one back.

 

 

 

 

They never asked me to so I figured it was now mine to keep :-)


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  Reply # 1529282 9-Apr-2016 22:30
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It's orcon, so they will probably just bill you for it and send you to collections all without sending you a single email about it.





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  Reply # 1529283 9-Apr-2016 22:31
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Jase2985:

 

how did you have it setup?

 

assign it a static IP address outside of the DHCP range of your router, turn off DHCP on it, plug lan port to lan port, set up SSID and Password which can be the same as the router.

 

 

 

 

yes that's pretty well what I was trying to do, but maybe my mistake was not to set it to static but dynamic, I might try that tomorrow and see how I get on.


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  Reply # 1529420 10-Apr-2016 12:07
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It belongs to Orcon. I was sent a courier bag and I sent it back. 

 

Like rich says, don't be surprised if you get billed for it. 




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  Reply # 1788436 25-May-2017 22:33
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reg52nz:

 

Jase2985:

 

how did you have it setup?

 

assign it a static IP address outside of the DHCP range of your router, turn off DHCP on it, plug lan port to lan port, set up SSID and Password which can be the same as the router.

 

 

 

 

yes that's pretty well what I was trying to do, but maybe my mistake was not to set it to static but dynamic, I might try that tomorrow and see how I get on.

 

 

 

 

Here I am over a year later and replying to my own post .... I have been using it to get internet (both ethernet cable into TV and wifi to laptop etc.) in an outbuilding, all works fine, if I take a device like smartphone or laptop back into main house it will automatically reconnect to the white modem, but if I go out to the outbuilding it won't automatically reconnect to the older black modem unless I turn the modem off and then back on again. Anyone have any ideas why this is so? And what might be able to be changed to make it reconnect without having to keep turning it off and back on again?


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  Reply # 1788458 26-May-2017 00:26
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Is this a new fault or has it always done that? There are other threads on here about the White Orcon modems not being able to properly handle MAC addresses moving between the Wifi interface and the ethernet ports. When your Wifi devices connect to the black modem, from the point of view of the white modem they appear as a Ethernet device. When the device then directly connects to the wifi from the white modem it doesn't correctly handle the ethernet device suddenly changing between an ethernet and wifi device and back again.

 

Check if new firmware is available for the white modem. But this is a really old bug, so don't know if it has finally been fixed or not.






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  Reply # 1788464 26-May-2017 05:19
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As aredwood said its a MAC address issue.  Netcomm know about it and my have released a firmware update for it. I had the same issue on my NF8AC and I believe it was fixed, but I swapped to 2 access points about the same time so cant really remember




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  Reply # 1788720 26-May-2017 13:13
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Aredwood:

 

Is this a new fault or has it always done that? There are other threads on here about the White Orcon modems not being able to properly handle MAC addresses moving between the Wifi interface and the ethernet ports. When your Wifi devices connect to the black modem, from the point of view of the white modem they appear as a Ethernet device. When the device then directly connects to the wifi from the white modem it doesn't correctly handle the ethernet device suddenly changing between an ethernet and wifi device and back again.

 

Check if new firmware is available for the white modem. But this is a really old bug, so don't know if it has finally been fixed or not.

 

 

 

 

The fault has been there since I set it up almost a year back, it wasn't too inconvenient to have to keep turning it off and off again, but since I moved things around to accommodate a new TV in my "cave" the old modem is not so accessible hence deciding to finally get around to sorting it out. 

 

I have just updated the firmware in the white modem and rebooted etc, but makes no difference.




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  Reply # 1788721 26-May-2017 13:14
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Jase2985:

 

As aredwood said its a MAC address issue.  Netcomm know about it and my have released a firmware update for it. I had the same issue on my NF8AC and I believe it was fixed, but I swapped to 2 access points about the same time so cant really remember

 

 

 

 

see my reply areedwood ...... just updated the firmware and made no difference


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  Reply # 1790837 28-May-2017 22:03
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Since there are no updates available to fix that bug, The solutions are:

 

- Get rid of the White modem / router. Or

 

- Disable Wifi on the white modem / router and install another access point or another repurposed router to provide Wifi. Or

 

- Disconnect the black router and only use the white router for Wifi.

 

Sure it is probably not what you want to hear, but since you have a bug in a basic part of the networking stack of the white router. That works fine even in cheapo routers and switches from Trademe. So you will have to either replace the white router with a different model. Or do one of the 3 work arounds I mentioned above.

 

Are you getting VOIP (landline phone) through Orcon? If not then get a better router such as the Ubiquity Edge Router lite. And a dedicated access point for your Wifi. My Edge router just keeps on working. It has been 1 year and 5 months since it was last restarted. Although it is on a UPS system (along with the ONT, switch and Wifi APs) So even in a power cut it keeps on working. And also means I still have internet even during power cuts.

 

Another way would be temporally setting up the black orcon router as your main router and seeing if it is fast enough to handle 100/20 speeds. If so ask orcon to send out another black one and return the white one. Although they only do n band Wifi, And their signal strength wasn't really that great.








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  Reply # 1791283 29-May-2017 18:16
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Aredwood:

 

Since there are no updates available to fix that bug, The solutions are:

 

- Get rid of the White modem / router. Or

 

- Disable Wifi on the white modem / router and install another access point or another repurposed router to provide Wifi. Or

 

- Disconnect the black router and only use the white router for Wifi.

 

 

Hey thanks for those suggestions and others ... 

 

Yes we do have home phone plugged into the white modem. I am out of contract now with orcon so also have the option of jumping ship and go for a provider that supplies decent hardware or a cheaper ISP and just use some of the money saved to buy decent hardware myself.

 

In the meantime I will just leave it as it is. Will come back to it when I have finished my current project of converting my bike to an e-bike :-) woops going off topic LOL 


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reg52nz:

 

Here I am over a year later and replying to my own post .... I have been using it to get internet (both ethernet cable into TV and wifi to laptop etc.) in an outbuilding, all works fine, if I take a device like smartphone or laptop back into main house it will automatically reconnect to the white modem, but if I go out to the outbuilding it won't automatically reconnect to the older black modem unless I turn the modem off and then back on again. Anyone have any ideas why this is so? And what might be able to be changed to make it reconnect without having to keep turning it off and back on again?

 

 

Hi,

 

I have also recently received a new white modem from Orcon and was trying to achieve exactly what you have done. A couple of questions:

 

     

  1. Did Orcon ever ask for their black modem back or did they end up billing you?
  2. I have set the black modem to a static IP address within the IP range of the white modem. I turned off the DHCP server of the black modem but after a few minutes there is no internet from the black modem. Interestingly I can connect to the admin page of the black modem whilst I am connected to it's wireless network but cannot connect to the white modem unless I connect to that wireless network, and visa versa.

 

Could you share your setup so I could compare?




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  Reply # 1849089 20-Aug-2017 10:36
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No they never asked and never billed me. I have the white set to 192.168.20.1 and black to 192.168.20.2. Works fine mostly, except for the issue mentioned of going from a wireless connection on white to black. In that case it connects with limited connectivity, so I just turn it off and back on. Their very latest whites are same brand but slightly different model. So yours might not have that problem. Hope that helps.

 

 

 

 


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