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#214904 2-Jun-2017 11:56
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So long story short, I'm moving out of my rental in a weeks time and moving in with the in-laws for a indeterminate period of time (likely till mid october) whilst I wait for my shiny new house to be built (which has network cabling throughout it)

 

Whilst living with them we've got my partners old bedroom and her brothers old bedroom which we will use as a living area (couch & TV etc).

 

In that room, I'm looking to plug in my nice new shiny smart TV, NAS and NUC so as to deliver content around the house. However obviously where the router is for the ADSL is at a separate end of the house to where we are.

 

The main constraint, is I'm not allowed to replace their Spark HG630b with my Fritz 7490 so the question is how do we extend the network down to that end of the house. I also appreciate that without getting hands dirty and testing extensively the limitation on the best configuration is challenging.

 

There is little in the way of interference from other WIFI networks as the house as at the top of Park Rd in Belmont, so the nearest neighbor's house is physically 40 meters away.

 

So from this I have two options as I see it.

 

 

 

Option 1 - The inexpensive option

 

Use the FritzBox as a WIFI extender and switch, picking up the WIFI in the bedroom and having network cabling run to the NAS, NUC and TV. The con with this is that a lot of data will be flowing through WIFI and passing between floors in the house.

 

 

 

Option 2 - The more expensive option

 

At my new house I'm planning on buying an Ubiquiti Edge Router for my Fibre as well as an Ubiquiti AP for delivery of WIFI around my new house.

 

So I could purchase both of those devices now, use the Edge Router as a pure switch in the interim and then get the connectivity into the living area via the power lines internally. A question with the Powerline side of things, if the jack points are on different circuit breakers does this mean that the ethernet over power lines will still work?

 

 

 

I'd appreciate some feedback or is there a better way of doing things?


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  #1793666 2-Jun-2017 12:45
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I'd keep it simple and just try the Fritz as a WiFI extender to start with.  If it doesn't work then you can go to Plan B.

 

Powerline network devices work OK but won't set any performance records.  Every couple of months mine lose sync and I have to power them off for 30 seconds.  They should work across different circuits but the signal will be attenuated and the speed slowed as a result.  They are a compromise solution IMHO, but if you have to use them, they are substantially better than nothing at all.





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  #1794028 2-Jun-2017 23:05
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Unless you are planning on getting a more expensive Edgerouter model that has hardware switch ports, do not think of using it as a switch.  It will perform poorly, as the only way a router can do switch functionality between routed ports is to bridge them, and bridging makes an Edgerouter have to switch off its hardware offloading abilities.  Without hardware offloading, Edgerouters have quite limited throughput using the CPU only - depending on what rules you have in the firewall, it will likely only do somewhere between 80 Mbit/s and 200 Mbit/s on an ERLite-3.  Well short of 1 Gbit/s that a real switch can do.  When routing with the offloading enabled, an ERLite-3 can handle a 1 Gbit/s fibre connection fine.


 
 
 
 


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  #1794049 3-Jun-2017 00:02

fe31nz:

 

Unless you are planning on getting a more expensive Edgerouter model that has hardware switch ports, do not think of using it as a switch.  It will perform poorly, as the only way a router can do switch functionality between routed ports is to bridge them, and bridging makes an Edgerouter have to switch off its hardware offloading abilities.  Without hardware offloading, Edgerouters have quite limited throughput using the CPU only - depending on what rules you have in the firewall, it will likely only do somewhere between 80 Mbit/s and 200 Mbit/s on an ERLite-3.  Well short of 1 Gbit/s that a real switch can do.  When routing with the offloading enabled, an ERLite-3 can handle a 1 Gbit/s fibre connection fine.

 

 

Normally I would agree with this. But since the connection is only ADSL The lack of offloading and the slowdowns of doing software bridging are unlikely to be an issue.

 

But since the powerline adaptors presumably have been purchased yet, you can get ones with inbuilt 4 port switches in them. Which might be enough for the setup.








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  #1799038 13-Jun-2017 07:59
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So, it appears that the WIFI from the HG630b in the house is crap and I can't get stuff down the other end. Also the Fritz!Box 7490 can only be used as a repeater with "OTHER" Fritz!Box models which is pretty annoying.

 

That leaves me with my next step. In my next house I'm looking at buying a fairly decent Wireless AP as there will be a lot of other networks around me so I want something decent. I'm currently leaning towards the UniFi Series AP AC Pro, Access Point, Wireless AC, 1300/450Mbps which I know is overkill but should be pretty good in the longer run (I may also be moving to the US in a few years so if I can take it with me that adds to the level of want).

 

The question is whether I can get the HG630b to do everything except the WIFI and let the UniFi deal with that. I suspect it will fix a lot as the HG630b only works in the 2.4 GHz range.

 

 

 

The constraint around everything is I'm at the in-laws and they are fearful luddites so anything I do can't "affect" them - I am tempted to swap the HG630b for my Fritz!Box though.


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  #1799082 13-Jun-2017 08:57
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Personally, If i was in your shoes I would just run a cable. Either in the ceiling, or under the house. It will be the cheapest, and best solution. But it will definitely require getting yourself dirty.


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  #1799699 13-Jun-2017 21:46
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voy1d:

 

(I may also be moving to the US in a few years so if I can take it with me that adds to the level of want).

 

 

I do not believe the FCC will allow you to use a non-US WiFi model in the US, as it is possible to make it work on frequencies that are asssigned to other users in the US.  US models of anything that does WiFi can only be set to the allowed frequencies.  So if you really plan on moving there, you should check with Ubiqiti to see if it is possible to convert a non-US model to one that is legal in the US.  My bet is that it is not possible simply because it will not have the appropriate FCC compliance sticker on the bottom, let alone a WiFi chip with locked down frequencies.




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  #1801909 16-Jun-2017 09:42
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Grabbed the Netgear Powerline 1000 and managed to find documentation on setting up the FritzBox as a WAP and everything is working. Seems to be syncing around 100 MBps as well.

 

I would've liked to run a network cable, unfortunately the building structure doesn't allow for it. Add to that the in-laws would've vetoed it regardless for a 3 - 4 month stretch it wasn't the most efficient solution.

 

fe31nz:

 

 

 

I do not believe the FCC will allow you to use a non-US WiFi model in the US, as it is possible to make it work on frequencies that are asssigned to other users in the US.  US models of anything that does WiFi can only be set to the allowed frequencies.  So if you really plan on moving there, you should check with Ubiqiti to see if it is possible to convert a non-US model to one that is legal in the US.  My bet is that it is not possible simply because it will not have the appropriate FCC compliance sticker on the bottom, let alone a WiFi chip with locked down frequencies.

 

 

Oh, thank you for that information - I hadn't got around to doing any indepth research on the topic. But now and it makes sense :)


 
 
 
 


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  #1801949 16-Jun-2017 10:01
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Haha hand break in-laws, tough spot to be in.  Good to hear its sorted, the amusing thing is everything you wanted to do if you had left it available (even a cheap AP) would have improved their network and most certainly "affected"  them, but in a positive way! 


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