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#224037 30-Oct-2017 11:58
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This isn't really covered by @michaelmurfy  's excellent router guide, so throwing this open for the masses.

 

Currently in the middle of getting Gigabit UFB into several sites for work, and once we have those connections in place we're going to want start using them. Finding a nice business grade router that can handle those UFB connections is easy enough, but we're really wanting to be able to get close to line speed across an IPSec VPN as well. That seems to be a bit more difficult.. What can people suggest that's going to let me get at least 7-800mbps sustained IPSec VPN throughput for a reasonable price? 




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  #1892537 30-Oct-2017 12:16
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Define reasonable? A quick look at Cisco, Meraki and Juniper you would be looking at between 10 and 20k per device. That sort of VPN processing power comes at a cost! 



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  #1892549 30-Oct-2017 12:28
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This one does up to 400Mbps: http://www.draytek.com.au/products/broadband-routers/vigor2960/ 

 

This one does up to 800Mbps but not locally available (probably could get on special order through SnapperNet): http://www.draytek.com.au/products/broadband-routers/vigor3900/ 

 

 




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  #1892551 30-Oct-2017 12:32
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Considered building out PFsense boxes?



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  #1892559 30-Oct-2017 12:44
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lxsw20:

 

Define reasonable? A quick look at Cisco, Meraki and Juniper you would be looking at between 10 and 20k per device. That sort of VPN processing power comes at a cost! 

 

 

1-3K

 

Fortigate 60E/80E/100E series are looking to be the prime candidates from what I can see, they respectively do 2/2.5/4gbps IPSec VPN throughput.

 

 




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  #1892563 30-Oct-2017 12:45
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lxsw20:

 

Considered building out PFsense boxes?

 

 

For a bunch of reasons it's not really a viable option.




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  #1893174 31-Oct-2017 14:48
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coffeebaron:

 

This one does up to 400Mbps: http://www.draytek.com.au/products/broadband-routers/vigor2960/ 

 

This one does up to 800Mbps but not locally available (probably could get on special order through SnapperNet): http://www.draytek.com.au/products/broadband-routers/vigor3900/ 

 

 

 

 

For VPN:

 

  • 2960 may get 200 Mbps, not more
  • 3900 may get 600 Mbps, not more

The following chart has been "accurate" for the 2760.

 

http://www.draytek.co.uk/products/comparison

 

I have tested the 2760 (Spirent TestCenter: WAN-LAN, no VPN for that one) and it could only muster 150 Mbps with 1500-byte frames. At 64B, it was less than 7 Mbps. So have confirmed that the figures in that chart are best-case scenarios.

 

This put me off Drayteks for routers, though still using the DV130 for VDSL. As stable as they are, thoughput is not where I would want them to be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 
 

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  #1893197 31-Oct-2017 15:14
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Lias:

 

 For a bunch of reasons it's not really a viable option.

 

 

 

 

Is one of the reasons support? if it is you can buy supported pfsense devices, their specs are huge in comparison to other vendors and they're really hard to compete with on price vs performance. 

 

 

 

 https://www.netgate.com/solutions/pfsense/#on-premises

 

 

 

edit: link :) 

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  #1893203 31-Oct-2017 15:21
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@nitro thanks for the info. I know the Draytek 2860 series top out at approx. 400Mbps WAN-LAN, but also depends on what firewall / QoS / hardware acceleration it's doing. These are still very good routers for small business for the feature set they have.




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  #1893205 31-Oct-2017 15:25
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@coffeebaron, agree. For small business users, the Drayteks pull their weight in price/performance. Not too long ago 200 Mbps VPN would have been a lot. These days, there are different requirements, such as the OPs. I'd be interested to see what they/he goes with, actually.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  #1893207 31-Oct-2017 15:38
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You could look at a Ubiquiti Edgerouter Pro. Looks like people have got around 400 - 500 Mbps IPSec traffic through them. See link

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeMAX/ERL-Performance-Testing-with-IPSec-VPN/m-p/1053799/highlight/true#M44593

 

 

 

I know it's not quite as much as you were wanting, but for the money (around $700 each) they could be hard to beat.

Edit - Just had a look, the price/performance (just looking at IPSec traffic) is around the same as the Vigor2960. 

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  #1893216 31-Oct-2017 15:48
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  #1893218 31-Oct-2017 15:53
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The Grandstream GWN7000 has hardware accelerated VPN and a newer CPU - I've found I could get 200Mbit out of it but an Ubiquiti USG was the weak link here as the Edgerouter Lite + USG top out at around 200Mbit. I had nothing to test its top speed.

 

Potentially the best value option here.




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  #1893232 31-Oct-2017 16:24
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The small Mikrotik CCR will do that no problem.

 

Have to say though, wondering the use case? 

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  #1893234 31-Oct-2017 16:29
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chevrolux:

 

The small Mikrotik CCR will do that no problem.

 

Have to say though, wondering the use case? 

 

 

Inter office file sharing from NAS / server would be one suitable use case.

 

 




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