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#225853 7-Dec-2017 19:40

Hi guys, I have no idea on this topic and need some advice. I currently have vdsl and have it looks like a separate jack point for the internet behind my tv. I am looking at turning my lounge into a dining room and adding on a new lounge and a media room. I want to install Ethernet cable in the new lounge and media room so I can connect Apple TV , Xbox ect by cable instead of using wifi. I cant get UFB till 2019 but want to future proof now, I am happy to use wifi for rest of the . house. Where do I start do I get the electrician to run the wires from the existing jack point ?. Where would ufb normally be installed any ideas would be appreciated.

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#1914866 7-Dec-2017 21:26

The UFB ONT is normally installed in the media room, but that's up to the customer within reason. It seems the sensible place for most households.

So, you can either leave your router where it is, run an ethernet cable to the new lounge and install a switch there for all your devices. Or, move your VDSL master socket to the new lounge and move your router there also. The latter is probably tidier

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#1914869 7-Dec-2017 21:30

shk292:

The UFB ONT is normally installed in the media room, but that's up to the customer within reason. It seems the sensible place for most households.

So, you can either leave your router where it is, run an ethernet cable to the new lounge and install a switch there for all your devices. Or, move your VDSL master socket to the new lounge and move your router there also. The latter is probably tidier

ONT in behind the TV is hardly the sensible place IMHO. A lot of factors could make that rather ugly inside and outside.

There are plenty of threads here on GZ....

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#1914876 7-Dec-2017 21:59

ONT is best installed in a central location (in a cabinet maybe) along with router and switch. I would do 6 runs from central location to any TV, given its a media room do 12 or even more runs of cat6 in wall and another ceiling run for wireless AP. With appropriate switch/router combo you can separate the media devices, management, guest, office networks into logical vlans.

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#1914887 7-Dec-2017 22:57

Goosey:

ONT in behind the TV is hardly the sensible place IMHO. A lot of factors could make that rather ugly inside and outside.

There are plenty of threads here on GZ....

It's OK in my house - I have the router behind the TV, a further 5-port switch in the cabinet under the TV, and all the devices there connected by ethernet. I then have a single Cat5e cable running from the router, under the floor to the other room where I have multiple devices (and a switch, and a WAP).

Not how you'd do it with a clean sheet of paper, but it works very well and required only 1 cable to be run in addition to the UFB installation. You can over-think/over-engineer these things, especially when running multiple cables is not easy

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#1914982 8-Dec-2017 07:48

as part of the free install service they wil put the ONT in the cheapest spot possible.

I have an internal wiring cabinet and they would not install the ONT there.

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#1915026 8-Dec-2017 09:04

Stu1: Hi guys, I have no idea on this topic and need some advice. I currently have vdsl and have it looks like a separate jack point for the internet behind my tv. I am looking at turning my lounge into a dining room and adding on a new lounge and a media room. I want to install Ethernet cable in the new lounge and media room so I can connect Apple TV , Xbox ect by cable instead of using wifi. I cant get UFB till 2019 but want to future proof now, I am happy to use wifi for rest of the . house. Where do I start do I get the electrician to run the wires from the existing jack point ?. Where would ufb normally be installed any ideas would be appreciated.

The common approach these days is to have a dedicated space, where all the different types of wires (ethernet, coax for tv and so on) come in to one location. Typically it looks like a small closet space or linen cupboard. It would house a metal cabinet where all the wires are terminated into a patching panel, as well as providing a central location for ONT, Router and so on.

Of course that works well in new builds, and people who retrofit them to existing houses. It's not mandatory and you can do your own thing, it's just the common approach taken and can help with resale in future (it's easy to sell a 'standard' feature, harder to sell something different).

If the above isn't an option, then the next approach is some common sense:

1. CHorus or the fibre providers will take the cheapest, quickest and easiest approach to connecting to your house. They only get a flat fee that barely covers an easy install. this will dictate a lot of what you do next.

2. Next is the space under your house - are you on a slab and thus have no space underneath? or are you on piles and have some room to drape cables?

You can see where this is going - chorus will go for the cheapest point, and thats acceptable to you then thats where the sparky should run cables to.

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#1915032 8-Dec-2017 09:24

Ultra Fast Fibre, back in December 2013, were happy to put the ONT in the weird cupboard above the fridge in our 1920s house. They ran the cable through the roofspace. Got a sparky to put a power point in there. It's nice & central and the upper half of that cupboard was pretty hard to use anyway.

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#1915139 8-Dec-2017 10:56

My Chorus subbie from Downers was happy to install the ONT in cabinet and location of my choice. Mind you, I went out of my way and did as much of the prep work for him as I could; including installing the fibre termination point on the outside concrete foundation, drilling all the holes and running conduit to where I wanted the ONT.

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#1915141 8-Dec-2017 11:01

They will install the ONT where you ask them too, just don't let them push you into the lazy option.

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#1915387 8-Dec-2017 17:03

Lot to consider, for costing the Reno I have to do an electrical plan , do you add this to the plan or is it done separate, sounds like I need to think about where the ONT should be placed and a cupboard space.What comes with the ONT do they run the cable for you does it come with a part switch?. Would be easier if I could get fibre now

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#1915476 8-Dec-2017 22:16

The push to put the ONT behind the TV, is to allow for TV over fibre services. Netflix and other streaming services are pretty much this anyway. Of course a networking cabinet is better, but not many houses have one.

Since the installers only get paid a fixed fee it is definitely worthwhile helping them, so you get a better job. Note as well that you can't move an ONT yourself. You have to get the LFC to move it. So definitely worthwhile planning ahead where you want it to go. Chorus will run the fibre for the ONT at the same time as installing the ONT. Install conduit in any walls that you want the fibre to go through. The free install only pays for surface mounting the fibre or going through easily accessible roof or floor spaces. Use swept bends if the conduit needs to go around any corners.

They will insist on a power point close to the ONT. So allow for that on the electrical plan.

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#1915805 9-Dec-2017 20:43

Aredwood: The push to put the ONT behind the TV, is to allow for TV over fibre services. Netflix and other streaming services are pretty much this anyway. Of course a networking cabinet is better, but not many houses have one.

Since the installers only get paid a fixed fee it is definitely worthwhile helping them, so you get a better job. Note as well that you can't move an ONT yourself. You have to get the LFC to move it. So definitely worthwhile planning ahead where you want it to go. Chorus will run the fibre for the ONT at the same time as installing the ONT. Install conduit in any walls that you want the fibre to go through. The free install only pays for surface mounting the fibre or going through easily accessible roof or floor spaces. Use swept bends if the conduit needs to go around any corners.

They will insist on a power point close to the ONT. So allow for that on the electrical plan.

Thanks for the info really appreciated , I don’t really have room for a network cabinet more than likely put in the media room. Will add in the PowerPoints for one and get the conduit in the walls. Just getting final quotes done . More than likely will have more questions. Thanks everyone for all the advice and help

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#1915909 10-Dec-2017 09:34

Just remember the ONT has a christmas tree level of lights on it. Also remember to not have 90deg bends in the conduit that the fibre feed will be pushed through.

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#1915916 10-Dec-2017 10:37

Aredwood: The push to put the ONT behind the TV, is to allow for TV over fibre services.

While the UFB network was built to support RF over Fibre that was never the main reasoning for the decision to put the ONT near the TV.

The reason was that the TV is the entertainment hub of many homes and many people will have Internet connected TV's and streaming devices located there. Putting the ONT and router there was just logical.

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#1916250 10-Dec-2017 20:03

sbiddle:

Aredwood: The push to put the ONT behind the TV, is to allow for TV over fibre services.

While the UFB network was built to support RF over Fibre that was never the main reasoning for the decision to put the ONT near the TV.

The reason was that the TV is the entertainment hub of many homes and many people will have Internet connected TV's and streaming devices located there. Putting the ONT and router there was just logical.

I could build a cupboard in the media room if i have to but prefer not to as want to make the most of the space. The room is quite small 3.2 by 6m long . I do have an option to take out my backdoor and turn the space into a cupboard if i really need to. I am pretty limited by space though hence why i am extending the house. The main reason for wanting it in the rooms really is for streaming tv and movies

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