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# 248837 12-Apr-2019 07:28
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I am looking at a major extension / renovation and I am looking to have some wired data ports installed. I already have a proper data cabinet sourced (550W x 650H x 450D). I will have a patch panel 24 ports. I will have fiber by the time everything is done.



Primary use of the wired network will be


- to access reliably a NAS from 1-2 smart TVs and 1-2 wired computers, Panasonic Freeview recorder, maybe a Tivo if the home network feature will become available as un upgrade... The TVs of course have wireless but wired is better, right?


- one wireless access point somewhere in the house (the cabinet is in garage / basement)


- provision for future 3-4 security cameras with the associated recorder?


- Cabling and patch panel will be Cat5e rated.



The security cameras will require PoE, this being the easiest way - correct?


Ideally I am after an un-managed switch (simpler to install) not necessarily with 24 ports - say 12 or 16 should be enough.



Question 1:


do I really need Gigabit ports on the switch, or does the "fast ethernet" 10/100 meet the requirements for what I intend to do? The NAS includes a Gigabit ethernet port. If 10/100 is enough, these switches are cheaper and they can have the PoE built-in. I am not looking for a high end switch, these would be generally managed devices and I will easily get lost through the settings...



Question 2:


is it better to get the PoE feature as part of the switch from the beginning, or can I add a second (smaller) switch with PoE capability later? Will this complicate the network / setting addresses?



Question 3:


I can get one of these for a good price: Foundry Networks FastIron Edge X424


On paper it sounds good quality hardware, 24 ports Gigabit. It is managed though, and there is no PoE.


Should I grab it?





Many thanks in advance.

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Master Geek

  # 2215506 12-Apr-2019 09:02
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That switch won't fit, its 50CM deep.


The power supply is also rated at Max 220W and I would presume it would be fairly loud...

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Ultimate Geek

  # 2215521 12-Apr-2019 09:21
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Question 1:


Yes get gigabit, dont even waste your money on this exercise if you arent going gigabit...




Question 2:




You can add a PoE switch later when you are ready, 


Question 3:




That switch you are looking at looks like an enterprise grade managed switch. If it is expect a lot of noise from it. 


For the home something like a simple tplink switch will do the trick. You could even get a 16 port one and then later when you are ready to do the PoE devices get a 2nd switch then.









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  # 2215540 12-Apr-2019 09:32
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There is no point in a 10/100 switch (it'll be a bottleneck for the NAS) nor is there any point in cat5e cable when cat6 is now the norm and pretty much the same price. It totally limits your options to utilise the cable for things such as HDMI extenders.



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  # 2216924 14-Apr-2019 11:31
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I'd recommend running 8 cat6 cables from the home hub patch board to the location of your camera recorder. 


Most camera DVR systems now have POE output on the back of them with 4 or 8 switch ports, and it keeps the cameras in a separate network than the rest of the computers. The cameras themselves will be much easier to set up and configure as the automatic onvif discovery usually works best like this. 


Here is an example, so you can see what the back of the DVR looks like though i recommend Hikvision


The DVR also connect to your TV via HDMI. 




So at my sisters house we have just installed the recorder in her lounge connected to the TV, with cables going back to the home hub, then from the home hub up to the cameras. 
You could bypass the homehub and go straight to the cameras - whatever is easier. 




Then in your home hub you just use a standard 16 port DLINK or TPLINK unmanaged switch with a single LAN cable going to the camera DVR and another to your router. 


The wifi access point could be a POE one - or a passive POE with an injector in the home hub. Will use some more space but could save you $200 on a POE switch.  




I also recommend Cat6 for the data cabling. It allows you to get gigabit speed further and that makes a big difference with accessing content on a NAS or transferring files between devices. 




You could add a POE switch later that is unmanaged and have no problems with ip addresses - the thing is though that there are different types of POE voltages and wiring. This is why I recommend running the cameras off the DVRs POE output because they will likely be 48v and the access point could be 24v or 48v. You can get multi-output POE switches that are managed but it complicates things. 

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Ultimate Geek

  # 2217624 15-Apr-2019 20:01
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good ideas and valuable input from everyone, thank you for responding.



Cat6 cable is very easy and fairly low cost - but the Cat6 patch panel is a different story... I read somewhere that forcing Cat6 wiring in a Cat5 or Cat5e connector would very likely damage the connector (even if not a visible defect) but the connection might be dodgy and then spend endless hours trying to troubleshoot it...



Is there any truth in this?


Or is it OK to use Cat6 cable in Cat5e patch panel connectors?

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  # 2217625 15-Apr-2019 20:05
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No it isn't. Who will be doing the data cabling??

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  # 2217761 16-Apr-2019 05:47
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aucklander: Cat6 cable is very easy and fairly low cost - but the Cat6 patch panel is a different story...


Not really a 24 port Cat6 patch panel is $20 more expensive than an Cat5e one, so about 20%. peanuts in scheme of things.


keystone jacks are almost double though

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