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# 250772 24-May-2019 16:56
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Hey folks,

 

 

I'm wiring up a new house and have sourced some CAT8 keystone modules. We are planing on using the PDL Iconic range for switches and powerpoints but i can't find any reference to keystone in their catalog. They did supply one for the old 600 series.

 

 

I did find this one here, but it doesn't mention keystone

 

PDL319MKC adaptor RJ Tyco Krone Siemon, 10Pk

 

http://www.pdl.co.nz/Trade/Products/ProductDetail?catno=PDL319MKC

 

 

Though it does look quite similar to the PDL615MKC which does say it's for keystones

 

 

https://www.se.com/nz/en/product/PDL615MKCWH/keystone-data-jack-clip%3B-white/

 

 

Someone must have attempted this before?

 


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  # 2244911 24-May-2019 18:16
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Wouldn't you just use the rj45 data module they have for it, or are their ones only cat6? I did look at this series when building, but it lacked modules and things which the 600 series had at the time. Looks like they have added some thing to it since. So I went for the 600 series in black with stainless plates, which IMO looks better too. I find  website is poor and really difficult to find info on it, although I think there is an old version of these website which is easier to find info on it. But you are best to phone them or email them, as they do provide good support. All call them for a handbook which contains all the parts. 


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  # 2244915 24-May-2019 18:26
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I wired my house with cat6 and used iconic. Just use the iconic rj45 keystones otherwise they will look terrible. Happy to take a photo of how they came out.





 
 
 
 


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  # 2244941 24-May-2019 19:21
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Just use the iconic ones they are cat6 rated, I am not aware of a keystone adaptor, last one I got were around $6ea so nothing extortionate.

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  # 2244945 24-May-2019 19:26
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The CAT8 keystones modules should just fit into the Iconic RJ45 wall plate surely without using any special adapters? Go to local electrical wholesaler with your module and confirm and let us know in the forums too.




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  # 2244946 24-May-2019 19:29
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Folk keep referring to cat8, is that real or an error.

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  # 2244962 24-May-2019 20:15
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Just use the proper keystone... Don't even think of trying anything else or it will look like dogfood.
And it's for home. You're not going to run anything faster than gbit. I've run HDMI without an issue.





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  # 2245015 24-May-2019 20:41
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Umm the iconic specific mechs are exactly that, not keystones.

Just clarifying terminology.

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  # 2245027 24-May-2019 20:54
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Even CAT6A cannot do 4K60 (HDMI2.0) with HDCP 2.2 as it requires 18gbps

CAT7 can cover up to distance of 50 meters and reach 40gbps. 8K requires 48gbps although it’s long way off from being mainstream. I bought CAT7 for 4K 60 with HDR and 10gbps storage networking and 4 x 30M single mode fibre cable which can handle up to 100gbps to run to TV locations.





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  # 2245049 24-May-2019 21:40
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4k tops out at 100mbit.
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1722171?hl=en
8K uncompressed is 360Mbit
https://vanillavideo.com/features/specifications/8k/

I've yet to see a network that routinely saturates 1gbit or even a network that uses over 200mbit. Everything these days is moving to streaming over IP over Ethernet so HDMI extenders have a limited lifetime in my view.
But sure if you have deep pockets and want to way over engineer it fill your boots.





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  # 2245069 24-May-2019 22:22
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YouTube videos are compressed...
CAT6 cannot even do uncompressed 1080P 60 over 1gbps

You are confusing compressed sources with true uncompressed sources like UHD discs. Netflix 4K is not really true 4K just like YouTube is not. Those sources are heavily compressed.

4K 60 @ the lowest 8bit with 4:2:0 chroma sampling requires almost 9gbps so how can 1gbps achieve this? Imagine 10bit now with 4:2:2 for HDCP 2.2 and HDR on top. Now imagine 8K.


https://www.extron.com/product/videotools.aspx

http://community.cedia.net/blogs/david-meyer/2018/05/16/hdmi-data-rates-for-4k-hdr

And the cost of a single mode fibre cable that can carry 100gbps is $16 for 10meters

https://www.fs.com/products/40390.html








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  # 2245074 24-May-2019 22:43
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Yes CAT8 is a thing

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_11801#Category_8

've got CAT7A s/ftp 1200mhz cable. I'm not planning on rejibbing in the next 20years so I want something future proof. And at $280 for 200m that did every room in a 4 bed house incl 4 runs to the TV and 3 to the study I think you'd be crazy to put in old cat6 cable just to save $100.

For what Eva reason CAT8 Keystones seem to be more available and cheaper so I got those.

The iconic RJ45 module is only Cat6, I could use that and replace it in a few years when I need faster speeds but why not just do it right first time. The iconic modules also looked pretty expensive I think I saw $45 each for the shielded one whereas my CAT8 keystones were way cheaper, I just need the $1.50 Keystone adapter like they made for the 600 series...


@bartender, the modules in your picture, are they Keystone modules with an iconic adapter, or are they the iconic data module, or does the iconic accept a Keystone natively?

Thanks.



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  # 2245077 24-May-2019 22:48
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Oh and another reason fot the CAT8 keystones, I'd read allot of people have trouble putting cat 6 modules on CAT7A cable because of the thicker AWG22 wire typically used.

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  # 2245080 24-May-2019 23:11
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dantheperson: Yes CAT8 is a thing

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_11801#Category_8



For what Eva reason CAT8 Keystones seem to be more available and cheaper so I got those.

 

 

 

Why not just go for the 600 series and use the keystone adapter? It has been around for a long time, but there is a good reason for that IMO. Or are they more expensive than the iconic series? If they don't have a keystone adapter or a module for the iconic then you may need to wait until they catch up and just put in the CAT6 ones.


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  # 2245154 25-May-2019 07:42
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Is CAT8 cable actually available in the mainstream general wholesale/retail yet?

 

Either way... the limitations on run max out between 30-36 meters.  If I were to retrofit or even do a new build....I honestly don't think I could even viably run from say from furthermost ends of the said house to the garage without maxing out.  

 

 




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  # 2245159 25-May-2019 08:22
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CAT8 market is mainstream, but not in NZ. NZ seems to be stuck on Cat6 for some reason. However cat8 seems to be more about patch cables to connect things directly in a cabinet than running trunking. Probably the run length limitations as you say. I'd did see the odd reel of Cat8 but it was a bit pricy. loads of cat8 available on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Cat8&ref=is_s

Rs components was the only nz store I could find that stocked cat7

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