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# 257435 3-Oct-2019 00:06
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We are needing to replace our current gate video intercom & unlock system (or more correctly, had an electrician attempt to do it but messed up such that we now have no intercom to the gate).  Gate is about 80 m from & not in sight of the house and is normally locked so we need the intercom to unlock the gate when unexpected visitors arrive.  Existing system was an old Kocom unit but the video was shot and the system now dissembled!  Original link to gate was a ducted 6-wire security cable but that has now been pulled and replaced by new cat6 cable (gel filled, underground variety) in the existing duct.

 

I have looked at Panasonic residential video intercom systems which seem to be one of the more common ones used.  But have been underwhelmed by what appears to be about 15 year old technology and the inadequate weatherproofing of the door/gate stations - all only IPx4.  Despite diagrams showing typical installations on a post some distance from a house, IPx4 is not adequate for our situation where the gate unit will be exposed to rain from the front.  Most of the units are only IP44, which is probably inadequate even dust-wise for us (gravel driveway, pine pollen).  Only one system can use mobile phones as secondary monitors and that only in-house via wifi, or by email notification.  Fixed monitor on that system has a resolution of only 480 x 272.  Also, other than their apartment series, none of the Panasonic options include keypad and video intercom on a single gate station.

 

One alternative that looks interesting is a Fanvil i30 SIP Video Doorphone unit (link removed to enable posting).  This is a new product released only a few months ago though there has been a similar i31 version around for several years - dearer & more robust (IK10) but not needed in our case.  The i30 has an ideal combination of keypad, RFID card reader, and video intercom on a single gate station & is IP65 - not great but passable.  Also highly configurable, with detailed instructions in generally good English.  Plus Fanvil have a local NZ presence (NZ staff) and a number of local suppliers/installers.  PB Tech also have the unit in stock but their staff appear to know little about it ("its a new product - do not really know anything about it").

 

Two main concerns are the SIP phone aspect and apparent lack of a matching dedicated monitor.  Fanvil are primarily a SIP phone manufacturer and their door intercom units seem designed to mainly link to SIP phones.  I understand that for offices systems, eg. at reception in a office setting, which is probably the main target market.  I gather most of the local (north Auckland) installers would likely not be interested in a one-unit, residential type install.  But a SIP phone as the primary monitor in the kitchen would likely have a low WAF.  And I really would rather avoid having to buy and configure an IP PBX just to run the gate video intercom

 

The website linked above does though indicate that it can be installed P2P, to link the i30 directly with a VOIP phone, PC or SIP softphone without use of a PBX.  Also shows the i30 connected to a dedicated wall monitor.  These features may be new to the i30.  I have spoken with one local supplier/installer (BANX) and their tech person who handles Fanvil was not aware of either the P2P or dedicated wall monitor options (this being a new model).  I pointed him to the website above and he offered to follow up with Fanvil but that was a week ago and I have not heard back since :(. 

 

Is anyone familiar with this unit or know of a reasonably priced alternative that offers the same level of functionality?  Preference is for a keypad, RFID card reader, and video intercom on a single gate station, a minimum of IP65 (67 better), decent video resolution, a main video wall monitor and ability to have a secondary monitor (PC would be adequate as the secondary - work from home situation).  Remote smartphone capability would be great, though that can come later - would need be sure of the system security first.  If at all possible, something under $1k all up.  At a pinch something like the Fanvil C600 IP phone would do for the main monitor but it seems overkill and for WAF would prefer a simple dedicated monitor as indicated in a couple of images on the Fanvil website for the i30.

 

There is cat6 cable from the gate to the wall monitor location, or alternatively to our router and/or main switch at the other end of the house.  Main switch is a Netgear GS724T v4.  It has both voice & video VLAN capability and is connected to a Unifi AP AC LR wireless access point that provides good wifi to the main wall monitor location (hence WiFi only connection to the main monitor would be OK).


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  # 2328709 3-Oct-2019 00:12
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OK, had to remove all web links before the above would post

 

 

 

Link to i30 gate intercom is https://www.fanvil.hk/index.php/fanvil-i30-sip-video-doorphone/

 

Link to the C600 IP phone is http://www.fanvil.hk/index.php/fanvil-c600-android-phone/

 

Also see PB Tech website for both items

 

 


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  # 2328713 3-Oct-2019 00:20
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As you have mentioned. Fanvil. The product is great and so is their support. They release frequent firmware updates. I would recommend the Fanvil i31S if it’s going to be connected at the external gate because it’s built like a tank for prisons so vandal damage will be extremely difficult compared to the i30. If you need keypad, RFID and video and don’t like the look of the i31 then Fanvil is about to release i33V which is slimmer with same feature set. The C600 works brilliantly with the Fanvil intercom system. A user on geekzone has recently just deployed the i31S along with C600 at their front gate as well and are very happy with the system including night time camera performance.

Your only other good option which is 3 times the price is Axis A8207-VE




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  # 2329040 3-Oct-2019 13:28
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Thanks.  Good to get confirmation re these products.  Had never previously heard of Fanvil!

 

Re i30 vs i31, I guess it is a trade-off of cost vs vandal damage resistance.  IK10 would be great but at close to double the cost ...?  In our situation (I hope/touch wood!) vandal damage is not such an issue - fairly quiet neighbourhood.  Gate entrance is ~250 m off, and not visible from a 'rural' public road that has no footpath.  No evidence of damage in the past 15 years+ that the previous system was there (possibly more like 20+ years). 

 

The i33V does look a nice unit.  Main issues would be how long before it is available and what cost. Under a bit of domestic pressure to address the current lack of intercom from the gate!   The i31 appears to have disappeared off the PB Tech website (well. I thought it was there a few days ago), so maybe release of the i33V is close.  There is already detailed info (QIG, detailed user manual etc) on the web. 

 

One minor reservation re the i33V.  They have dropped the large dedicated intercom call button that is on the i30 and i31, and almost every other gate intercom system.  I assume one of the keypad buttons (*?) is used or can be programmed for that function but it may not be so obvious to visitors without a note or similar attached to the unit?

 

I am sure the C600 would do the job well and I suspect we may end up going that way.  A very nice phone and good price.  It just seems overkill.  Also, there is no mention of ability to record and store video or snapshots of visitors who may have turned up when no one is around.  That would be a useful feature. 

 

Perhaps something like the Panasonic VL-MN1000BX-7 IP Touch Screen Monitor would be simpler and has snapshot recording etc.  As it is SIP compatible presumably it is compatible with the Fanvil intercom system?   Not much cheaper than the C600 though!

 

Or possibly one of the Dahua IP monitors such as the VTH1660CH 10, Dahua VTH1520A, or the wifi version VTH5221DW, all of which offer snapshot recording etc.  Not certain if these are compatible though - are IP but I saw no mention of SIP.




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  # 2329092 3-Oct-2019 16:12
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billgates: ... A user on geekzone has recently just deployed the i31S along with C600 at their front gate as well and are very happy with the system including night time camera performance.

 

 

 

A couple of questions re this install if I may

 

  • Can the C600 be wall mounted?
  • I assume this was a P2P install, with no PBX?  

If P2P, would it be possible to also have a secondary monitor or PC softphone in addition to the C600 so can respond to the intercom from different locations; eg. if at the far end of the house from the C600, then pick the call up on a PC.  Not looking for communication between the two monitors.  Just want call from the gate to go to both locations each time.  For this the PC and

 

I see there is another (newer?) Fanvil phone (FAN-X7C X7) which would also appear suitable for use with the i30/i31s door units.  At least at PB Tech the FAN-X7C X7 is 40% cheaper than the C600.  Not clear if it can be wall mounted though?


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  # 2329117 3-Oct-2019 16:40
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There is also a Grandstream system: https://www.gowifi.co.nz/ipnetworkvideocameras/gds3710.html 

 

 





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  # 2329121 3-Oct-2019 16:56
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DS248:

 

A couple of questions re this install if I may

 

  • Can the C600 be wall mounted?
  • I assume this was a P2P install, with no PBX?  

If P2P, would it be possible to also have a secondary monitor or PC softphone in addition to the C600 so can respond to the intercom from different locations; eg. if at the far end of the house from the C600, then pick the call up on a PC.  Not looking for communication between the two monitors.  Just want call from the gate to go to both locations each time.  For this the PC and

 

I see there is another (newer?) Fanvil phone (FAN-X7C X7) which would also appear suitable for use with the i30/i31s door units.  At least at PB Tech the FAN-X7C X7 is 40% cheaper than the C600.  Not clear if it can be wall mounted though?

 

 

 

 

Yes the C600 can be wall mounted. You can even remove the headset piece and put it in your drawer and just use the speakerphone capability which is louds and works really well.

 

The install was with a PBX (3CX free version). Fanvil has supported integration with most of the major PBC software out there. The P2P install is mean to work as per documentation and I would be surprised if it does not. Fanvil's support is really good. They respond to tickets quickly and will even provide remote support if required via your laptop or desktop being able to access the Fanvil's admin panel for no charge.

 

You can via SIP I know since it has 2 SIP lines (i31S) send call to 2 different SIP phones like C600 and maybe a softphone on your computer or smartphone. You will have to check the documentation for P2P calls simultaneously for 2 different monitors. You can lodge a ticket with Fanvil via their website and see what they say.

 

 





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  # 2329342 4-Oct-2019 01:02
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re Grandstream system.  I missed that one.  Would seem to work well when peered with a GXV3370 phone (GXV3380 even better!).   About 50% dearer than a Fanvil i30 + X7 solution but probably similar to i31 + C600.  Spec is higher than i30 + X7 though (IP66, IK09 and 1080p video).  Will have to weigh up whether the extra spec is warranted!!  Plus, Fanvil support sounds good.

 

http://www.grandstream.com/sites/default/files/Resources/Connecting_GDS3710_with_GXV3370.pdf

 

Looks simple enough to set up P2P.  My main concerns are whether my wiring fully fits and whether can have a secondary monitor(s) in p2p config.

 

Re the wiring issue: current cat6 goes from gate to monitor location, then a separate cat6 from there to the network switch.  GXV3370 has two rj45 ports but not clear if can bridge across; ie. to effectively create a link from the gate to the switch, then the switch back to the GXV3370.  If not, I can get around it but would mean more work, including difficult cable laying :(. 

 

Either way, I probably need to factor in the cost of a small POE switch.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  # 2329418 4-Oct-2019 08:42
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We're getting a gate installed and I've been looking around for solutions too.

 

I quite like the look of what Hikvision offer. Hikvision product if purchased in NZ can be expensive, but cheap if you purchase internationally.

 

 

 

These are all IP based and have a phone app option as well as a base receiver.

 

https://www.hikvision.com/en/Products/Video-Intercom/Vandal-Resistant-Door-Bell

 

https://www.hikvision.com/en/Products/Video-Intercom/Door-Station




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  # 2329448 4-Oct-2019 09:43
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re 3CX.  Is that run off an existing server, NAS, or a dedicated RPi or similar? 

 

If Pi, 2, 3, 3B or 4?

 

We have a couple of Pi's lying around but the newest of those has a fan which is far from silent.  Not keen on that in my office.

 

Also have a QNAP TS-453 NAS (located elsewhere) so that may be a possibility?


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  # 2329471 4-Oct-2019 10:15
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I've just done this for a client using an Akuvox R27.

His medical practice has one of our 3CX phone systems and his home has some extensions off that.

Couldnt recommend the Akuvox more highly. Fantastically made unit, 3 relay contacts, fully SIP compliant (the stack looks very similar to Yealink's).

The video works natively (over SIP with H264) to a Fanvil X6 handset inside. And then DTMF to activate the relays as required. Also, via 3CX, we can send the call to wherever we want and use the same DTMFs to activate the gate.

We purchased from Sietech Security as we had an account with them. But I am sure they would sell retail if required.



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  # 2329557 4-Oct-2019 12:06
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The Hikvision options with the specs we want (intercom, keypad & RFID) are too large for our gate station mounting.  For example the DS-KD3002-VM that at 357 mm high it is more than double the height of the Fanvil i30 (160 mm) and Grandstream GDS3710 (173 mm).  The cost is also around double that of the similarly spec'd Grandstream, and about 3x that of the Fanvil i30.

 

The Akuvox R27 is also too large for us (280 high).  It is well spec'd and nice looking but again the price (over $900 ex Sietec) is well above what I can get the i30 ($351) or GDS3710 ($518.02) for. 

 

I see Akuvox have monitors that would suit our situation though; eg. C315 or, a bit on the expensive side 😞, IT83R.

 

 


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  # 2329615 4-Oct-2019 13:33
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Yes the Akuvox is not cheap compared to a Fanvil. I guess I am just used to gate/door phones being expensive - historically we would have paid $1000 for a decent analogue door phone. So i see the Akuvox as 'cheap' in comparison haha.

 

I love Fanvil phones - best in the market at that price point, we use hundreds of the X4G and X6's. But they are certainly built to a budget. I'm not sure I would trust an outdoor Fanvil unit to last, but that is purely anecdotal and I have nothing to back that up.




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  # 2329688 4-Oct-2019 16:52
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Re the Akuvox C315 monitor.  I found one AU online supplier.  Cost delivered to NZ appears to be about NZ$420 excl GST.   Presumably I would be hit with GST on 'import' though the it did not show up on the AU website (they have an NZ as well as AU contact number)

 

Does anyone know of an NZ retail(?) supplier I can obtain this from, hopefully for less!  

 

I realise Sietech probably have it but I gather they are wholesalers so buying directly from them might be a challenge for me as an end user?


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  # 2329757 4-Oct-2019 19:37
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Sietech aren't exclusively a wholesaler, in fact I'm fairly sure the majority of their work is direct to businesses/consumers.

Flick them a message and see. Myles is probably the one you want to chat with, he is all knowing when it comes to this stuff.

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