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#262125 6-Jan-2020 17:08
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About to install a gate video intercom unit (Grandstream GDS3710 in hand, which is a PoE Class 3 device - requires 15.4 w port).  Preference is to power via PoE. 

 

Our current network has a non-PoE 'managed' main switch (Netgear GS724T v4).  To facilitate possible future installation of a couple of outside security cameras and possibly another WAP (PoE), preference is to use a PoE switch as a satellite on the 'managed' main switch; ie. to avoid multiple power supplies required for individual PoE power injectors.  Existing WAP has a PoE power injector.  Existing Netgear GS724T is less than half utilised.

 

Question is:  Is it OK to use an unmanaged PoE satellite switch for this?

 

Or will this prevent future video-VLAN set-up to prioritise video streaming from security cameras, etc?

 

Second question:  PoE vs PoE+?   PoE+ advisable for 'future-proofing'?

 

This is for a semi-rural home office situation.

 

Have mainly been looking at eight port switches though four PoE ports are probably adequate for our foreseeable future needs

 

 

 

Have 'narrowed down' to a few options (price incl delivery).  These include:

 

Unmanaged:

 

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    • Netgear GS108PP (~$195).  Small unit; PoE+ (120 w enough to power 8x PoE or 4x PoE+); 8 PoE+ ports.  Powers enough PoE ports for our use (& then some).  BUT not managed (does that matter?)
    • TP-Link TL-SG1005P (~$78). Small; 5x Ports, 4 PoE probably enough.  BUT not managed  ... and ... 56 w PoE budget only enough to power 3x PoE Class 3 (15.4 w per port)

'Managed':

 

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    • TP-Link Easy Smart Series TL-SG108PE (~$126): small; 'managed'; four PoE ports probably enough. BUT at 65 w max power, not clear that PoE budget is enough to power 4x PoE Class 3 (61.6 w required); not PoE+ 
    • TP-Link TL-SG2210P Smart PoE Switch (~$170): small; 'managed'; eight PoE ports.  BUT not PoE+ ... and ... 53 w enough to power only 3x PoE Class 3 (what is the point of eight PoE ports if can only power 3?).  
    • Ubiquiti Networks UniFi Switch (~$400): Does it all (small, 150 w, 8x PoE+, managed).  BUT more than double the cost of the above; adds significantly to the gate video intercom cost 
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Of course there are multiple other (generally dearer) options.  Have not looked at HP, Cisco etc due to price compared to the TP and Netgear options.

 

Any advice welcome. 

 

Especially interested to know if using an unmanaged satellite in this situation would be a limitation we will likely regret. 

 

 

 

 


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  #2386209 6-Jan-2020 17:24
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Forgot to mention that the other option is to use individual PoE power injectors.  Cost would be similar (~130 for four) and presumably would not impact the main switch management features.  Also probably more flexible - would not require all cables to be brought back to a common location to power.

 

The thought of multiple (additional) power supplies does not attract.  But perhaps the flexibility and lack of impact on switch management would make this the best option??? 


 
 
 
 

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  #2386364 6-Jan-2020 22:09
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Hi there
I have a netgear FS728TP v2 coming available in a week or two
https://www.netgear.com/support/product/FS728TPv2.aspx

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  #2386403 7-Jan-2020 07:40
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There are no disadvantages of stacked switches except for the fact it makes a network messy and makes it easier to unintentionally create issues such as network loops.

 

 

Or will this prevent future video-VLAN set-up to prioritise video streaming from security cameras, etc?

 

 

Will have zero impact because it's not the job of a switch to prioritise VLAN's over each other - a VLAN exists solely to segregate network traffic. Typically the standard way to prioritise traffic on a switch is DSCP tagging, with the real world reality being that unless you're saturating the 1Gbps uplink port then setting up QoS on the switch will make zero difference anyway.




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  #2386469 7-Jan-2020 10:21
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sbiddle: ... with the real world reality being that unless you're saturating the 1Gbps uplink port then setting up QoS on the switch will make zero difference anyway. 

 

 

 

Thanks.  The Netgear GS108PP (120 w, 8x PoE+, small fanless unit) would therefore appear to be the best way to go, especially looking into the future (PoE+ for Wave 2 WAP's and some security cameras?).  

 

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Main alternative would then be to use individual PoE injectors for the flexibility of not having to bring everything back to a central location to provide power.  Relevant in our current house (concrete floor slab, block exterior walls & no ceiling space in most areas making hidden wiring very difficult).  


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  #2386503 7-Jan-2020 10:52
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The total PoE power budget of most switches is well below 'Max power per port' x 'number of ports'.  eg. the TL-SG2210P has 8 PoE ports but a max PoE power budget of only 53 w, which is only enough to fully power three Class 3 PoE devices.

 

I assume from this that the power allocated to a port will often be less than the maximum require by the attached device?

 

For example, the spec for our gate video intercom unit states that a Class 3 PoE power supply is required.  But I assume it would only need the full 15.4 w allocated when say unlocking the gate, or actively recording video etc, and that most of the time less power would be allocated


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  #2386504 7-Jan-2020 10:53
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Feedback from one supplier is that "For future proofing (adding wireless APs) POE+ is recommended."


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  #2386509 7-Jan-2020 11:08
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DS248:

 

Feedback from one supplier is that "For future proofing (adding wireless APs) POE+ is recommended."

 

 

It really depends what you're trying to do. Pretty much all but the cheapest small unmanaged POE switches these days are POE+, and if future proofing was a concern you'd have to look at 802.3bt!

 

 




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  #2386532 7-Jan-2020 11:53
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Little 802.3bt equipment available.  At this point I am OK with a max of 30 w per port.  And not intending to spend $1000 to futureproof to that extent!


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  #2387692 8-Jan-2020 23:16
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In the end, decided to get a single PoE injector (TP-Link TL-POE150S) for now.  

 

There are cheaper options but I was a bit hesitant about using a passive injector (mainly from hypothetical future use by someone unaware it is passive).  Probably an unnecessary concern but the TL-POE150S is an active injector and has been reported as working well with the gate intercom unit we have.


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