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#265786 11-Feb-2020 11:13
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My pal is doing a new build but, like me, knows almost nothing about internet or ethernet or home theater etc.

 

He's after advice about what to get installed and where.  Ideally future proofing for expected developments down the track.  What should he be asking to get installed?

 

Fairly specific advice would be helpful as we know pretty much nothing.  It's not an unlimited budget by any means, but given the sparky etc will be onsite doing all the other stuff he's prepared to put some effort into trying to get it done once and done right, even if that simply means having spare conduit/wires installed now for use later on.

 

All help appreciated


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  #2416081 11-Feb-2020 11:46
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Post a digital photo of the floor plan so everyone can make recommendations based upon locations of rooms and walls.




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  #2416088 11-Feb-2020 11:54
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Plus it would be useful to have some idea of what your friend actually wants the tech and HT inside their house to deliver.

 

For example, you mention 'home theatre', but to them does that mean a 55" TV with a sound bar, a dedicated room with 5.2.4 sound and a 200" screen, or somewhere in between?!

 

Do they want/need security cameras? A Ring or similar 'doorbell'? Are they looking to any home automation? Running a NAS or home server? Or is it they just care about decent WiFi in every room?


 
 
 
 




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  #2417315 13-Feb-2020 13:12
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Sorry for the delay, too me a while to get the plans from my friend.  Pasted below.

 

The first plan is downstairs, concrete blockwork partially in the ground.  Over time the 2 bedrooms will become teenager rooms, for now they will just be storage.  He would like the family room to be capable to have a home theater setup, maybe a screen and the speakers etc.  Over time this will migrate to a rumpus for the teenagers, but they will likely need all the good internet and theater capability.

 

The second plan is upstairs.  The kitchen and bottom right bedroom and over the blockwork from downstairs.  The rest is on piles and is fairly accessible underneath if required in the future.  The ceiling is accessible.   Ignore the red scribbled out fireplace, that is gone now.

 

He wants a TV in the Lounge where the scribbled out fireplace was, and possibly speakers for home theater.  TV's should be catered for in all 3 bedrooms.  Master bedroom is the top left, kids the bedrooms on the right.  The kids are currently young (<= 5yrs).

 

 

 

I asked him if he wanted home automation and he'd never even heard the term lol, so I'd say that isn't high on his list.  But if its something that can be easily and not expensively catered for during the wiring phase the feel free to discuss.

 

 

 

All advice appreciated.  Basically want to know what cabling to put where for internet and electricity and all the other things that I pretty much know nothing about.  The more description the better.

 

Thanks in advance

 

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  #2417376 13-Feb-2020 13:59
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Is there no garage in the new build which is where you would want to ideally have all the network and speaker cables come back to for central location. No garage can be seen in the plan?




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  #2417389 13-Feb-2020 14:11
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 Master bedroom is the top left, 

 

This IMHO is a huge mistake ,

 

its a bedroom that opens directly onto the busy/potentially noisy main living/dining area, it has no separate ensuite/toilet shower, and to use these requires a significant walk across the house, 

 

I think this design needs work...


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  #2417391 13-Feb-2020 14:13
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Hi, agree with wellygary, the design is seriously flawed

 

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  #2417396 13-Feb-2020 14:20
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billgates: Is there no garage in the new build which is where you would want to ideally have all the network and speaker cables come back to for central location. No garage can be seen in the plan?

 

I think the garage is separate.  There will be roof space, and optionally they could build a little cubby underneath if that didn't work.  Or in one of the closets?


 
 
 
 




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  #2417399 13-Feb-2020 14:24
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wellygary:

 

 Master bedroom is the top left, 

 

This IMHO is a huge mistake ,

 

its a bedroom that opens directly onto the busy/potentially noisy main living/dining area, it has no separate ensuite/toilet shower, and to use these requires a significant walk across the house, 

 

I think this design needs work...

 

 

Good point, but unfortunately its currently all framed up, so there's no room for editing the layout now :).  I have a feeling they will swap the master into one of the kids rooms when they get old enough to stay up later than the adults, the kids are currently very young.

 

What he's really interested in is help with fibre and internet and ethernet etc, things neither of us know much about.

 

 


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  #2417403 13-Feb-2020 14:31
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Personally I'd just do WiFi points in the ceilings. That way you aren't tied to the location of an ethernet point i.e. you change your mind about where you want your TV oh no we don't have an ethernet point there. 





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  #2417404 13-Feb-2020 14:34
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At a minimum, they will want two ethernet cables to each bedroom. Six to the Family room (where the TV/AV will be), at least two to the lounge upstairs. They should go to a point where it would be conceivable to have a desk, or a TV. 

 

If in doubt, run more. eg., if they do not know how a bedroom may be configured, or there is a chance it will be an office later, run more cables to another wall in that room.

 

 

 

They can terminate under the stairs - I see there is a cupboard there.

 

 

 

If they may want cameras at some point, run cables to there (including on the outside walls - they can be behind a blank plate, or just near where security lights may go).

 

Run cables in the ceiling spaces for Access Points. One on each floor, central but with enough slack should be enough.

 

 

 

Most important - make sure the sparky knows what they are doing with data cabling, or get a data cabler in while the place is unlined. 


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  #2417412 13-Feb-2020 14:43
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Hi, if you are going to put a inwall cabinet in somewhere I would do it in the back of the wardrobe of the GndfLr RH bedroom, this means direct access from the street to the rear of that cabinet via the concrete wall.

 

I would allow for upto three WAPs, but two are probably only needed, I would put these on the ceiling in teh top floor corridor at top of stairs, another in the Living room slightly above the L in Living and allow for a 3rd in the Family room slightly above y of family.

 

As for the Family room Theatre, I would probably see the screen/TV on the wall at teh top of the plan (with red cloud).

 

As for TV outlets, you need RG6 to both TV locations (actually do 2 runs to those), plus to in each bed a single RG6 run to the location of the TV, in each of those bedroom locations you have to decide if the TV will be wall or low mounted, I recommend that you have the cables run for both options, this is not hard to do, same goes for data when talked about latter, and obviously power for TVs

 

RG6 cables should run back to a common space in the ceiling where splitters can be located, and runs to the roof for UHF and Dish can be made, may also think of where the dish may go on an upper floor outside wall as Sky dont do roof installs much these days, especially double height.

 

For Data as mentioned an inwall cabinet in the rear of the lower floor RH bedroom closet. At least two data outlets (cat6) to each TV location, possibly 4, and a single run to each bedroom TV location, if you have a bedroom that might be an office, then add another two outlets in an appropriate location. Previousy mentioned Wireless AP locations, and also possibly think about security cameras in eaves or suitable locations.

 

I recommend the inwall data cabinet the the bedroom closet is a full height  42" (1M) tall one, obviously the UFB will be delivered through the concrete wall direct to that cabinet.

 

Speakers, in the Family room allow for rear and side speaker cabling to two side and rear walls. and obiously some condieration for speaker cabling for the front speakers, you need to think more about what you want to achieve and is it a large TV on a cabinet, or on the wall or a PJ and screen. For the lounge, ceiling speakers for front and rear might be a good option, again bit more thought needed.

 

Cyril 

 

 


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