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#270609 18-May-2020 15:08
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Hi Guys,

 

Have very basic knowledge of networking, and I have just setup a TP-LINK AX50 for WIFI6 access to my fibre ONT with VF. I have an existing CAT6 cable runnign from the house out to the garage, and was hoping to use the VF Ultrahub out there just as a wired WIFI access point with the same SSID etc as in the house.

 

Basically the wifi recpetion is bad out in the garage, so the new CAT6 cable was put in place so I can run the same WIFI SSID etc on another device out in the garage.

 

I haven't tried it yet, and the research I have been doing looks like it needs bridge mode to work? and the Ultrahub doesnt have that, so maybe it wont work?

 

Am i flogging a dead horse with this? If so what is the best value in a wifi access point out in the garage? Doesn't need to be superfast Wifi in garage, but would need additional Gigabit LAN ports so I could add some cables if I wanted to game out there at any time later.

 

I have the gigabit CAT6 cable working out there (works at gigabit speeds), I can plug in my laptop now and it works. I just want to extend basic WIFI out there for spotifiy etc and have the option to plug in 3 or 4 cables later if I want better gigabit for other devices. I have a spare gigabit swith here, is there any downside to plugging a wifi access point into a switch, and then cables all into the same switch? Apart from then needing 2 power cords?

 

There are so many terms for these bloody devices, just want to get something basic that will work without overspending.

 

 

 

Cheers!


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  #2485685 18-May-2020 15:21
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Yeah, it should work - just be careful to plug the CAT6 cable into one of the LAN ports (not the WAN port).

 

You should also disable the DHCP server on the Ultrahub before connecting it to the rest of your network. Having 2x DHCP servers is generally a bad idea.

 

 

 

Good luck




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  #2485688 18-May-2020 15:25
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Thanks Loftus,

 

I read on here about disabling DHCP, but there is still a problem with dual NAT (whatever that is LOL!) Sounds like the bridging mode is the ability to disable NAT which the UltraHub does not have?


 
 
 
 


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  #2485689 18-May-2020 15:26
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I haven't used an ultrahub so cannot confirm, but in principle:

 

  • Confirm your new router's IP address and DHCP range. I believe TP link's default is 192.168.0.1.
  • If necessary, change the DCHP range so there are some addresses outside the DCHP range. e.g. if the DCHP range is 192.168.0.2 - 192.168.2.254, change it to something like 192.168.0.100 - 192.168.0.254.
  • Disconnect your computer from the new router and connect to the old router (old router does not need internet access for this)
  • Confirm your old router's IP address. I believe the default is 192.168.1.1.
  • On the old router, change its IP address to something in the range of the new router. Assuming the above is accurate, change it to 192.168.0.2.
  • You may need to reboot the old router and log in to it at the new address.
  • On the old router, disable DHCP.
  • If you want to attempt wireless roaming, set the SSID on the old router to match the new router. I would not recommend this for different brands of router though, but YMMV. You are probably better off manually selecting wifi networks e.g. SSID-garage and SSID-house.
  • If at any stage you cannot access the old router, you may need to assign a static IP address on the right subnet to the computer you are using - e.g. 192.168.0.3 and retry.
  • Connect a LAN port of the new router to a LAN port on the old router (i.e. do not use the WAN port!).
  • Change your computer back to obtaining an IP address via DHCP/automatically if you changed this.
  • You should now be able to log on to the old router at 192.168.0.1 and the new at ...0.2.
  • You should be able to browse the internet etc. using the SSID-garage wireless network.

 




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  #2485997 18-May-2020 23:13
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Thanks!

 

All worked good, I tried setting the WIFI SSID's the same in the house and the garage, works when im not in range of one or the other. But when I get Wifi Overlap it goes nuts and I lose ethernet :-(

 

 

 

I thought Wifi was designed to have matching SSID's and your phone would then automatically connect to whichever was stornger? Thats certainly worked for me in the past, but possibly I did not have any Wifi overlap....

 

If I bought a TP-LINK Wired access point would this work? Its a pain to explain to "Her who has her office in the garage" to change her phone wifi depending where she is....?

 

 

 

Cheers

 

Bri


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  #2486002 18-May-2020 23:29
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I'm glad you didn't go with a more expensive Asus router!

 

TP-Link also support something called "OneMesh" which while I have not tried it, means you can use another TP-Link OneMesh router or "Range Extender" to extend your network in a mesh fashion.

 

Something like this: https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/NRETPL6505/TP-Link-OneMesh-RE505X-Wi-Fi-6-Dual-Band-AX1500-Wi will give WiFi 6 out in your garage via Ethernet, or https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/NETTPL4560/TP-Link-OneMesh-Archer-A6-Gigabit-Wi-Fi-Router-MU will just give you basic WiFi via Ethernet with meshed with your main router.

 

Note, like I said I have not tried it. Just read about it recently. I may see if TP-Link are keen on doing some review units as their routers are not badly priced for consumer gear.







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  #2486005 18-May-2020 23:50
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Thanks for the help!

So would the more expensive ASUS handle this any better?

If I got the cheaper one mesh device in your list and throw away the ultrahib, will that work with the ax50 to give me one set of wifi?

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  #2486006 18-May-2020 23:58
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No, you made the right decision based on your needs. The Asus routers are rubbish from my testing.

 

What kind of internet do you have (eg - Speed?).





 
 
 
 




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  #2486008 19-May-2020 00:15
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Full speed fibre with Vodafone.

Used to get speedtest.net results of >900/450 recently best I can get is about 180/150



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  #2486009 19-May-2020 00:17
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I'm liking the sound of that $129 router and the mesh feature to keep it all "just working" trouble is, it looks like the AX50 doesn't yet support Onemesh?

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  #2486011 19-May-2020 00:32
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Sorry, I didn't realise you were on full speed Gigabit. In this case, the standard off-the-shelf consumer grade routers likely won't cut it for you as even the most expensive consumer grade routers have been crippled with routing speed from my experience (think - a $800 router that can only do 500Mbit over Ethernet).

 

If you want seamless coverage at the best speed you can get (and don't mind spending a little bit of money in the process) the only real router I can recommend, which is easy to configure and performs very well is the UniFi Dream Machine (PBTech, Go Wireless). Don't worry about WiFi-6 just yet as to be perfectly honest it isn't ready for prime-time, I was able to get 600Mbit over WiFi on this router in my testing and full speed over Ethernet.

 

For the Garage - adding a UniFi AC Lite (PBTech, Go Wireless) will give you the best results and provide you with seamless roaming. Going the UniFi route essentially future-proofs you as from experience they get regular firmware updates adding more features and just perform well. Down the line, once WiFi-6 becomes a little better and comes in the UniFi range, you could just simply upgrade.

 

I do note this is quite a bit more expensive but you really get what you pay for here. I personally run UniFi equipment here (one access point in the house and one in my "Mancave" which is separate to the house) and get seamless coverage throughout my property along with excellent WiFi speeds.

 

As @BigMal recently won a dream machine I gave away I am sure he'll be happy to chime in saying how great they are etc when he has set his up.





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  #2486056 19-May-2020 08:29
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@michaelmurfy

Any experience of the ultahub + VF booster? IIRC, GZ is pretty positive overall about spark mesh and 2d fritzseses. Wondering how Team Red's offering compares. If you're in a reviewing mood, a consumer shoot out could be interesting?

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  #2486073 19-May-2020 08:54
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michaelmurfy:

 

As @BigMal recently won a dream machine I gave away I am sure he'll be happy to chime in saying how great they are etc when he has set his up.

 

 

 

 

I can confirm the Dream Machine is REALLY REALLY good. I've only had it for a few hours but so far it's far and away the best router I've used.  The software is incredibly feature rich, it's gong to take me ages to learn how to navigate the UI, not because it's confusing but because it's so vast.

 

WiFi performance is excellent.  I'm getting 600Mb down and 130Mb up from my Macbook Pro on Vodafone cable.

 

It is an expensive device but having used it I can see the value. 


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  #2486078 19-May-2020 09:08
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@mdf Never tried it but I reached out to somebody at Vodafone to potentially get a review unit sent out. I get asked this quite often. I am simply not sure if they mesh, or just "extend".





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