Does original Google WiFi allow VLAN in WAN port yet?

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#288382 25-Jun-2021 09:39

As above. Friend has original Google Wifi (not the new Nest version). I advised him against purchasing it, but somehow I'm still stuck helping him with his ongoing problems.

He's on Spark fibre so had to set it up with a double NAT since the PPPoE connection had to be VLAN 10. I know the new NEST version supports this, but was it ever added via a firmware update to the original version?

I'm not convinced the double NAT is part of his issues, but I'd like to be able to rule it out.

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#2734122 25-Jun-2021 10:11

Nope. Still not supported. You'll need to use a switch in between to tag the VLAN.
https://support.google.com/wifi/answer/9798157?hl=en

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#2734127 25-Jun-2021 10:20

Jiriteach:

Nope. Still not supported. You'll need to use a switch in between to tag the VLAN.
https://support.google.com/wifi/answer/9798157?hl=en

Thanks. At this point I doubt they'll ever add support then.

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#2734128 25-Jun-2021 10:22

The alternative it to have the ISP disable the VLAN10 requirement. I've never asked an ISP to do this on an existing connection, but have done it many times on new connections. Not all ISPs will do this.

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#2734136 25-Jun-2021 10:30

Dynamic:

The alternative it to have the ISP disable the VLAN10 requirement. I've never asked an ISP to do this on an existing connection, but have done it many times on new connections. Not all ISPs will do this.

Didn't realise that was an option.

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#2734140 25-Jun-2021 10:40

What issues is he having, if its regular daily disconnections or just stop passing traffic randomly then its a built in feature, buy another product is my advise, after days of trying to sort out a similar issue for a friend I advised to throw it away, which I then did and replaced with another product, THAT WORKS!

Take a look at this thread, dont start at the beginning, instead go to the very end (its a long thread) and read back, you will find the product is crap and Google dont give a rats

Life is too short to sit around trying to fix stuff that never will fix.

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#2734152 25-Jun-2021 10:55

I'd probably rather leave the VLAN 10 requirement in place (I can see the benefit from a support perceptive to leave it "standard").

To minimize the impact of the double NAT, would it be advisable to completely disable the Firewall on the spark router (HG659b) and set the Google Wifi WAN address as DMZ?

I'm not familar enough with what the firewall on the HG659b actaully does to be confident disabling it since I also don't know how good the Google Wifi router acts as a firewall either.

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#2734154 25-Jun-2021 10:59

cyril7:

What issues is he having, if its regular daily disconnections or just stop passing traffic randomly then its a built in feature, buy another product is my advise, after days of trying to sort out a similar issue for a friend I advised to throw it away, which I then did and replaced with another product, THAT WORKS!

Take a look at this thread, dont start at the beginning, instead go to the very end (its a long thread) and read back, you will find the product is crap and Google dont give a rats

Life is too short to sit around trying to fix stuff that never will fix.

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Yeah, it's random disconnections requiring device restarts or being connected but getting no traffic. Like I said, I really don't think the double NAT is the culprit, but thought it was worth ruling out if possible.

I'm quite sure it's a "feature" as you say. I advised him not to get it, and have since advised him to replace it.

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#2734203 25-Jun-2021 11:01

Hi, placing the GWifi in the DMZ will not stop double NAT, you could get a small managed switch to drop the vlan for you

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/SWHTPL1002/TP-Link-TL-SG105E-5-Port-Gigabit-Easy-Smart-Switch

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#2734204 25-Jun-2021 11:02

cyril7:

What issues is he having, if its regular daily disconnections or just stop passing traffic randomly then its a built in feature, buy another product is my advise, after days of trying to sort out a similar issue for a friend I advised to throw it away, which I then did and replaced with another product, THAT WORKS!

Take a look at this thread, dont start at the beginning, instead go to the very end (its a long thread) and read back, you will find the product is crap and Google dont give a rats

Life is too short to sit around trying to fix stuff that never will fix.

Cyril

Having owned the Google WiFi, my recommendation is to sell it! I now have an AmpliFi HD and will never look back.

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#2734214 25-Jun-2021 11:18

cyril7:

Hi, placing the GWifi in the DMZ will not stop double NAT, you could get a small managed switch to drop the vlan for you

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/SWHTPL1002/TP-Link-TL-SG105E-5-Port-Gigabit-Easy-Smart-Switch

Cyril

Thats the same one we had to get for work and it does the job to strip the vlan tag.

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#2734215 25-Jun-2021 11:28

cyril7:

Hi, placing the GWifi in the DMZ will not stop double NAT, you could get a small managed switch to drop the vlan for you

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/SWHTPL1002/TP-Link-TL-SG105E-5-Port-Gigabit-Easy-Smart-Switch

Cyril

I know it would't prevent the double NAT, it'd just forward all inbound ports. I was thinking more along the lines of making the double NAT as easy to manage as possible (port forwarding, UPnP if required. etc).

I don't for a second think it will solve anything, so in my mind not worth spending money on managed switch (even a cheap one).

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#2734241 25-Jun-2021 12:14

Hi, totally agree, send it to the skip, only suggested the switch to present possible solution to the double NAT issue.

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#2734420 25-Jun-2021 14:13

I had used my Google WiFi for only 3 days then I returned it!

Honestly if you need to spend all this time and effort to get something working correctly; then my view is to find a solution that will work out of the box as easy to use.

Some of those overpriced consumer routers with WiFi 6 are just a wast of money!

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#2734428 25-Jun-2021 14:29

Delorean: I had used my Google WiFi for only 3 days then I returned it!

Honestly if you need to spend all this time and effort to get something working correctly; then my view is to find a solution that will work out of the box as easy to use.

Some of those overpriced consumer routers with WiFi 6 are just a wast of money!

I'm with you 100%. If it were mine I would have replaced it long ago (actually I never would have bought it in the first place).

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#2734502 25-Jun-2021 15:08

Well. I didn't actually buy the Google WiFi by choice. My daughter did thinking it was better than what we had. I tried it and regret even trying!

It was 3 days of my life I can never get back!

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