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Topic # 30709 18-Feb-2009 16:02
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I borrowed a linksys WRT150N routher from school recently, and have not been able to acccess it to put security onto it.
The routher was brought and then just sat around doing nothing for about a year, then I borrowed it.
the main problem is that all the default usernames/passwords dont work. period.

so is there a password cracker that would work on a router? or a crack for it?

something?


anything??



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  Reply # 196536 18-Feb-2009 16:16
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I think you can reset the router to factory default by holding down the reset button for a few seconds.

 Default IP address:       192.168.1.1
 Default admin username:     <blank>
 Default admin password:     admin

or

Default IP address       192.168.1.1
Default admin username     admin
Default admin password     admin



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  Reply # 197771 24-Feb-2009 16:36
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thanks worked very well (still can't believe I missed the reset)

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  Reply # 197777 24-Feb-2009 17:03
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snowman: The routher was brought and then just sat around doing nothing for about a year, then I borrowed it.


Does your school know you 'borrowed' it?



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Reply # 197786 24-Feb-2009 17:15
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not that router no. (I'm getting there)

they do know however that ive borrowed the old server, a 5-port wired switch, 30-50m of ethernet cabling and a coupla 1/2m patch ethernet cables

I also havent mentioned the hardware and software upgrades ive made . . . . . . yet

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  Reply # 197791 24-Feb-2009 17:35
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Hmm I figured as much. If they knew you had it they probably would have been able to supply you with the admin logins.

This is theft. If I were you I would return the equipment immediately. If you have a genuine need for it that falls within your schools policies, you should request use of the equipment formally.

Might not go down well if someone is looking for it or discovers it has been taken without consent.



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Reply # 197799 24-Feb-2009 18:09
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because I havent got specific permission to use this router, yes, legally that is theft.
I do have a general permission to use whatever though.

I will be telling the principal as soon as I catch him in a good mood
(the average respect level of our class is shocking)

BTW noone will want any of this gear in a million years, its so old

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  Reply # 197967 25-Feb-2009 11:49
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snowman: because I havent got specific permission to use this router, yes, legally that is theft.
I do have a general permission to use whatever though.

I will be telling the principal as soon as I catch him in a good mood
(the average respect level of our class is shocking)

BTW noone will want any of this gear in a million years, its so old


Theft is theft. The fact noone may want or use it is not relevant.

The fact you need to catch your principal in a 'good mood' further shows that this is not acceptable practice.

If you were employed this would be theft as a servant and is grounds for dismissal.

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  Reply # 198121 26-Feb-2009 01:28
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Wow.

My school administrator used to let me take stuff home all the time - mainly because i knew more about networking than he did (he was a textbook rather than expierence learner) and so i would take the stuff back and show him how it worked after learning myself.




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  Reply # 198159 26-Feb-2009 09:45
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raytaylor: Wow.

My school administrator used to let me take stuff home all the time - mainly because i knew more about networking than he did (he was a textbook rather than expierence learner) and so i would take the stuff back and show him how it worked after learning myself.


That is a totally different situation tho, as you had permission to take the gear. Unlike the OP who hasn't actually been given the OK, despite the fact the answer may have been yes if he had of asked.

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  Reply # 198165 26-Feb-2009 10:06
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When was the last time you were at school, adamj?  In my experience, it is not unusual to have a good relationship with people there (teachers, administrators) where there is a general understanding about things like this.  A relationship built on trust.


No, this guy hasn't specifically asked for permission for this item, but they trust him enough not to steal it permanently, to eventually let them know he's got it and probably to return it when he's done/they need it.


Do you always ask your wife/girlfriend/life partner/sister/father etc before "borrowing" their stuff?  Or are you also a thief?


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  Reply # 198176 26-Feb-2009 10:35
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bazzer:

When was the last time you were at school, adamj?  In my experience, it is not unusual to have a good relationship with people there (teachers, administrators) where there is a general understanding about things like this.  A relationship built on trust.


No, this guy hasn't specifically asked for permission for this item, but they trust him enough not to steal it permanently, to eventually let them know he's got it and probably to return it when he's done/they need it.


Do you always ask your wife/girlfriend/life partner/sister/father etc before "borrowing" their stuff?  Or are you also a thief?



My last year of school was 2004.

Agree with your statement about the relationship, however it seems in this case the relationship may not extend that far. The OP says that he is waiting for his principal to be in a 'good mood' before he tells him he has borrowed the kit. If their was an understanding that it was OK for him to take kit without permission, waiting for his prinical to be in a 'good mood' would not be necessary.

It is also courteous to tell someone when you borrow something of their. If I borrow something from someone I know (My girlfriend/family/friends) I would tell them I am borrowing it. That way they know I have it if they are looking for it, and I can be sure they are OK with me borrowing it.

In a commercial (Or a govt/school/university etc.) environment this is more important, as there may be asset managment implications. As it stands, the OP has a piece of Kit he does not own, and the owner does not know he has it. What if they are looking for it? Would they assume he has it? Would they assume it is stolen?

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  Reply # 198180 26-Feb-2009 10:53
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adamj: My last year of school was 2004.

Agree with your statement about the relationship, however it seems in this case the relationship may not extend that far. The OP says that he is waiting for his principal to be in a 'good mood' before he tells him he has borrowed the kit. If their was an understanding that it was OK for him to take kit without permission, waiting for his prinical to be in a 'good mood' would not be necessary.

It is also courteous to tell someone when you borrow something of their. If I borrow something from someone I know (My girlfriend/family/friends) I would tell them I am borrowing it. That way they know I have it if they are looking for it, and I can be sure they are OK with me borrowing it.

In a commercial (Or a govt/school/university etc.) environment this is more important, as there may be asset managment implications. As it stands, the OP has a piece of Kit he does not own, and the owner does not know he has it. What if they are looking for it? Would they assume he has it? Would they assume it is stolen?

Of course its courteous, and by the sounds of things that's exactly what he intends to do.


All I'm saying is we don't now what the situation/understanding is.  Making assumptions about something that doesn't really matter is pointless.  Sure the "relationship may not extend that far", but it may.  Perhaps the principal is normally cool with it, but he's particularly stressed about something and in an abnormally bad mood at the moment, so best not to mention this unimportant thing to him until that's resolved.

Point being, you seem to care overly much.  Maybe we should find out what school he's from so we can let them know he has it.  Better yet, inform the authorities! Wink


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  Reply # 198185 26-Feb-2009 11:07
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I'm simply saying, given the information provided by the OP, that in this situation it seems to me that the wrong thing may have been done here.

I'm making assumptions, but informed assumptions based on the information and responses from the OP.

The fact that he had to factory reset the device, rather than obtain the passwords from his school, as well as the fact he has to wait for the right time to ask indicates to me that he does not have permission, direct or implied, to have posession of this particular device.

You should always ask/tell someone before or at the time you borrow something, not sometime in the future (Apply common sense here).

I'm trying to point out to this kid that they way in which he has gone about this may not be acceptable, and is probably not a habit he should get into. In a few years he will be in the workforce and something like this may not be a big deal at school, but it could loose him a job.



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  Reply # 198238 26-Feb-2009 16:46
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adamj: The fact that he had to factory reset the device, rather than obtain the passwords from his school, as well as the fact he has to wait for the right time to ask indicates to me that he does not have permission, direct or implied, to have posession of this particular device.

correct.
Our principal brought that router, and left it sitting on top of our 30-something port switch for a year. I was the only one who ever used it. As for the passwords, none of the staff have any clue how to setup securtiy for wireless routers, in fact for our office router he doesn't see any point to putting security on it "we never use our internet quota, and maxnet provides good flitering. So why bother?"

Maybe because there is a cafe being built right next door?

sigh.


As for waithing for the right time, if you had to deal with 30 snotty kids who wouldnt listen to anything you say, talk over you, and then ask "what did you do that for?" when you punish them.........EVERY DAY and after 3:00 one if them comes up to you and tells you that he stole some piece of equipment from the school, would you be the happiest with him????? I don't think so.

adamj: You should always ask/tell someone before or at the time you borrow something, not sometime in the future (Apply common sense here).

yes I agree. That was a mistake. Definately will not happen again

adamj: I'm trying to point out to this kid that they way in which he has gone about this may not be acceptable, and is probably not a habit he should get into. In a few years he will be in the workforce and something like this may not be a big deal at school, but it could loose him a job.

Thank you for your consideration, but it was a little too strong

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  Reply # 198257 26-Feb-2009 20:08
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Haha... u know what would be really funny..

flash  DD-WRT or Totato firmware onto it..

That would really confuse them when they try to use it next... lol

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