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Topic # 64914 25-Jul-2010 19:02
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Hopefully someone can help me out, I want to use Gargoyle to monitor the flat's internet usage by individual IP.

Here is what the setup will end up looking like:

Internet <-- Netgear DG834G <-- Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 (running Gargoyle) <-- Gigabit Switch

So how do I set it up so that the Buffalo is able to see all internet traffic?

I have tried disabling the DHCP on the Netgear, but that didn't end up working out to well (No internet connection). Although I may have simply set it up incorrectly.

I also tried putting the Netgear into Bridge Mode, but that won't work due to Gargoyle not supporting PPPoA (well it does, but there is a bit of fiddling around with the build, but its doesn't seem to be guaranteed to work)

Thanks

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  Reply # 356160 25-Jul-2010 19:30
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Should work, but you need to use a different IP range on the netgear and the buffalo, The defaults are the same I believe.




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  Reply # 356161 25-Jul-2010 19:33
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Yeah I had set up the DHCP ranges differently, the netgear was 2-50 and the buffalo was 51-100. Could it have been the case that the static IP's of the routers were throwing it off?

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  Reply # 356178 25-Jul-2010 20:37
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you should only need to run dhcp on the buffalo

I've got a netcomm nb6plus4wn and I use it's ppp ip extension which is effectively half bridging it. DHCP is disabled on the netcomm, and I've got dhcp running on the wrt610n for the lan clients

The bufflo should be setup to automatic (dhcp) mode which will obtain the wan ip address from the netgear

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  Reply # 356206 25-Jul-2010 21:38
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Can the Netgear do half bridge or ip extension? If not you're creating a network with 2x NAT (double NAT) that will cause problems for torrents, messenger and gaming and you'll have to port forward ports twice that you open manually (once in each device).

I would replace the Netgear with a $60 adsl modem that does does pppoa half bridge or ip extension, eg: TP Link TD 8840.  Other alternatives are a cheap Dynalink RTA1320 or Linksys AM300 off trademe.

Actually you can still use the netgear as a basic dumb wireless ap if you add a standalone ADSL modem that supports half bridge or ip extension into the mix.

Also what ISP are you on?  On some LLU gear you can use pppoe.




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  Reply # 356233 25-Jul-2010 22:23
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Ragnor: Can the Netgear do half bridge or ip extension? If not you're creating a network with 2x NAT (double NAT) that will cause problems for torrents, messenger and gaming and you'll have to port forward ports twice that you open manually (once in each device).

I would replace the Netgear with a $60 adsl modem that does does pppoa half bridge or ip extension, eg: TP Link TD 8840.  Other alternatives are a cheap Dynalink RTA1320 or Linksys AM300 off trademe.

Actually you can still use the netgear as a basic dumb wireless ap if you add a standalone ADSL modem that supports half bridge or ip extension into the mix.

Also what ISP are you on?  On some LLU gear you can use pppoe.


Unfortunately the Netgear does not support Half-Bridging. Not sure about ip extension though (though it probably doesn't)

I knew that there was a problem with double NATing, but can I not just disable it on the netgear? (strangely it does this), although I haven't seen a NAT option in Gargoyle.

The Dynalink off trademe seems to be the cheapest option for a half-bridge

Currently on Telecom but switching to Slingshot this week (hopefully)

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  Reply # 356251 25-Jul-2010 23:14
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nick496: Yeah I had set up the DHCP ranges differently, the netgear was 2-50 and the buffalo was 51-100. Could it have been the case that the static IP's of the routers were throwing it off?


Not DHCP, the actual networks, so 192.168.0.1/24 out of the netgear, then the buffalo assigns 192.168.10.1/24 range addresses on its LAN ports.

Give it a static assignment on its WAN, and make it the DMZ on the netgear to get around any double nat issues. uPNP worked fine for me like that on a double nat setup.




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  Reply # 356269 25-Jul-2010 23:51
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nick496: Yeah I had set up the DHCP ranges differently, the netgear was 2-50 and the buffalo was 51-100. Could it have been the case that the static IP's of the routers were throwing it off?


Not DHCP, the actual networks, so 192.168.0.1/24 out of the netgear, then the buffalo assigns 192.168.10.1/24 range addresses on its LAN ports.

Give it a static assignment on its WAN, and make it the DMZ on the netgear to get around any double nat issues. uPNP worked fine for me like that on a double nat setup.



Ah, that makes sense, will try that tomorrow. 



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  Reply # 366294 11-Aug-2010 15:55
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Ending up getting the Dynalink, and connected it to the Gargoyle router, and now everything works fine. Thanks for the help everyone.

Although the Dynalink makes this really loud humming noise when its running, kinda like a CRT monitor but louder. Anyone else have this problem? Fixes?

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  Reply # 366321 11-Aug-2010 16:24
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Shouldn't make any loud noises, did you get it 2nd hand off trademe or new from a shop?






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  Reply # 366339 11-Aug-2010 16:52
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That is what worries me :S. Yeah, I got it second hard off trade me.

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