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Topic # 86340 5-Jul-2011 10:41
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Hi, I'm looking at getting my own line in because my landlord is real bossy about internet usage, won't let me play online games or anything (and we have 40gb internet) and nothing will convince him, and since I like to game a lot I need my own internet, we're already with telecom, they have an access point to the phone upstairs and I have one downstairs next to my room, would that mean theres multiple phonelines or would I have to get one put in, and if i have to get one put in, does anyone know how to go about it or who can put one in?

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  Reply # 489589 5-Jul-2011 11:14
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Dude, full stops. They make things easier to read.

The points will all be wired together. You'll probably have to a new line and a new point put in, which the landlord might not agree to as it involves cabling, drilling holes, etc.




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  Reply # 489594 5-Jul-2011 11:24
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Hi, most if not all internal phone wiring since the 70's if not earlier has 2 or 3 line pairs, its very rare to have only one line pair in cabling.

The inbound line unless very old will have two pairs in it, again if its been there pre 70's it might be an issue, but all underground leadins will be 2pair and overhead since 70's will be 2pair.

End result is you can have a 2nd line to the house without significant disturbance of the house wiring, but as it will be treated as a new connection then the cost of getting the new line to your socket should be part of the line install cost.

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  Reply # 489595 5-Jul-2011 11:26
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Raenoku: does anyone know how to go about it or who can put one in?


Step one: Talk to your landlord, it is his place (or he is the name on the head lease) so he is responsible for it, you will not be able to do anything until he agrees to it.



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  Reply # 489610 5-Jul-2011 12:04
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I know its his house, Im just looking at options as I will be talking to him about it tonight. so I'm just looking around and seeing what I can do, I wouldn't just go and do it without talking to him first. The main reason is i like to buy games off steam, and I lost my cds to wow, and it's about 10gbs to download and because he talked to telecom and they said it takes up too much usage playing games he wont let me.

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  Reply # 489647 5-Jul-2011 13:24
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Raenoku: I know its his house, Im just looking at options as I will be talking to him about it tonight. so I'm just looking around and seeing what I can do, I wouldn't just go and do it without talking to him first. The main reason is i like to buy games off steam, and I lost my cds to wow, and it's about 10gbs to download and because he talked to telecom and they said it takes up too much usage playing games he wont let me.


Any cost of Naked DSL will easily cost far more than you paying the difference on the bandwidth on the main line.  Why dont you instead offer to pay the bandwidth difference, in other words double the bandwidth.  If you only use one or two computers you can also offer to install a data logger showing how much you are using as a "trial" so he can see he isnt getting jipped.

This only deals with the bandwidth side of things, doesnt fix the agony that DL big files can cause to the other house users in relation to speed..

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  Reply # 489662 5-Jul-2011 14:09
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Phone cables contain several pairs of wires or lines but normally only one is active and connected to phone jacks inside the house.

It's a matter of contacting your chosen ISP and getting them to arrange a tech to visit and scope out the work involved and thus the cost!. Typically the work involves: connect 2nd pair at the exchange/cabinet, wire up 2nd pair from where the line meets the house to a new separate jack point, provision of dsl/phone on the line etc.

You can have a different ISP on a 2nd line no problem, you can also go for naked adsl and save $10-20 by not having a land line on the 2nd line too.


Also agree with the previous poster if it's just about the cost of data, it's cheaper to record usage and just pay for the extra usage.

There are pre made solutions like
http://www.webgauge.co.nz/

Or there are a number of other ways to records usage:
http://www.cueclub.net.nz/page.php?37 
http://www.gargoyle-router.com/



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  Reply # 489717 5-Jul-2011 16:35
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It is data mostly, I don't think it's much about speed,if I can convince them to switch to slingshot, since you can buy extra blocks of data and they can go back down to a 10gig plan and I can use what I like and pay the difference. but even then I'm not sure what he'd say. It would be easy if wow had a way to backup the game like steam does, but it doesn't as far as I know.

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  Reply # 489720 5-Jul-2011 16:39
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Why don't you just say you'll pay for the overage? Assuming you don't get speed limited.




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  Reply # 489721 5-Jul-2011 16:44
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Good point Chris, if you are on Telecom and on the 40G plan then you can elect to pay the $2/GB overage, based on that, offer to pay whatever you currently pay toward him for the internet and offer to pay the overage which will be itemised in the bill.

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  Reply # 489856 5-Jul-2011 23:08
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Raenoku: It is data mostly, I don't think it's much about speed,if I can convince them to switch to slingshot, since you can buy extra blocks of data and they can go back down to a 10gig plan and I can use what I like and pay the difference. but even then I'm not sure what he'd say. It would be easy if wow had a way to backup the game like steam does, but it doesn't as far as I know.

Switching to Slingshot will slow everyone in the house down, especially when Slingshot speeds drop to a crawl at their busiest times.

The tech that connects up your new broadband might look wires to that jackpoint in your room (an access point is something else) to see if the wiring can be switched to the second line in the same cable. If the wiring to your room isn't twisted-pair then you would need a new cable for the new line, because trying to share lines on older untwisted wiring just creates interference between the lines.




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  Reply # 490030 6-Jul-2011 13:13
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Raenoku: It is data mostly, I don't think it's much about speed,if I can convince them to switch to slingshot, since you can buy extra blocks of data and they can go back down to a 10gig plan and I can use what I like and pay the difference. but even then I'm not sure what he'd say. It would be easy if wow had a way to backup the game like steam does, but it doesn't as far as I know.


Avoid Slingshot imo, cheap price but suspect performance.

Telecom has overage as an option $2/GB instead of throttled after cap

Implementing some form of usage monitoring on your network in the flat situation is still recommended imo, this way you can clearly show who's using the data and everyone can pay for their fair share.

You can just copy the whole wow folder somewhere else eg: USB drive. Then later copy it back to your PC, no installing is needed you can just run the exe and and it rebuilds any missing registry settings and what not.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1207761054

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