Hardwire camera to router and connect wirelessly

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mrfrustrated

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#93376 19-Nov-2011 14:49

I am looking to hardwire two web cameras to LAN port 1 and 2 on my router. I want to access these cameras wirelessly on my tablet. The router does not have internet connected to it, so it is all local via the router. I have an Asus RT-N13U Router. The web cams are a Hootoo U19-A Night Vision Webcam 12.0MP, Microphone Built In
and Sunvalleytek Y712 Webcam, Night Vision, Microphone Built In. The camera’s have a USB Female to Ethernet Male adapter because the camera is wired USB. I have plugged in the cameras, but the router profile does not indicate they are connected. I am not sure if this is a power issue with the camera not having enough power through the LAN port? How do I setup the router to recognize the camera in the LAN port? Any suggestions? Thanks a bunch.

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#547241 19-Nov-2011 15:39

You can't use the Ethernet switch port as a power source. Your "converter" would need an external power source to power the cameras and provide a server based web interface via which you could view the cameras.

Are you talking about http://icamview.com/icv22.htm

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#547246 19-Nov-2011 15:45

Simple, you can't.

Those cameras are just cheap USB webcams. You cannot simply get an adaptor (I've never seen an RJ-45 to USB adaptor but meh) and plug them into an ethernet port, they are completely different protocols.

If you want to do this, you need IP cameras with their own built in web-server, or some kind of serving PC/Device that is on your network that you can log in and view feeds from the cameras, like a home security system.

mrfrustrated

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#547263 19-Nov-2011 17:02

Darn. I just bought all these things and thought I could do this. Thank you for your help! I could use more help, if you have time!

Here is what I want to do:

My goal is to setup a camera system in my vehicle. I already purchased dashboard cameras, but the storage capacity is very limited and expensive (using SD cards) and I want a larger capacity of storage. My goal with this project was to connect the web cameras to the router and then connect an external hard drive to the router (via the usb) to have large amount of storage. I bought a tablet and put an ip camera program on it hoping to run the cameras through the tablet and then program them to record to the external hard drive that is connected to the router.

So, can I use the USB port on the router and access the cameras and hard drive, without an internet connection, and view the cameras via IP address on my tablet?

If not, is there a way to setup a camera system with my router and access them wirelessly without an internet connection?

What is my best option with what I have (router, both types of cameras listed above, and tablet with ip camera software) at this point?

Is there any other recommendation, based on what I want to do?

Any of your input will be greatly appreciated!

-Mr. (more) Frustrated

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#547264 19-Nov-2011 17:09

If you have USB cameras, then you need to forget about using them for this project.

You need IP cameras, and a power source for them.

The USB port on your router is no good for this task, forget about it.

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#547271 19-Nov-2011 17:50

Mobotix M12 dev kit could be one option but obviously expensive. I was using an Asus WL-520GU with 8 GB pen drive as a cheap store and wireless device with Mobotix and it worked well. Another more reliable option would be a small industrial PC, OS on CF card and storage to 2.5" SATA.

P.S. With Mobotix the intelligence and analytics is in the camera so no need for any NVR software, just point camera to store using NFS or SAMBA.

mrfrustrated

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#547354 20-Nov-2011 08:19

So, if I purchase the wireless ip cameras will I be able to access them through my router and not need an internet connection? I found the cheapest for around $48 is there anything cheaper?

Would CCTV be a better option?

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=RC531A-CM801CWAS1-4-R&cat=VCD

These cameras have wires connected to them, do they need a transmission box or is everything they need to be wireless enclosed in the camera? Will these cameras be more to install then the IP cameras? Is the DVR even accessible wirelessly (provided I have the proper software) with my tablet?

Could I cost effectively convert a CCTV camera (which I have found to be cheaper) to IP?

The very greatful,
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#547366 20-Nov-2011 09:18

What you've found transmits composite video over an analog wireless FM carrier. These cannot be called wireless IP cameras as no IP is actually involved. Base unit appears to then connect to computer via USB so not accessible wirelessly at all. You can't connect this to your router, whether router has Internet on WAN interface is quite irrelevant.

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#547372 20-Nov-2011 09:39

Thank you for your help!

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#547390 20-Nov-2011 11:29

Given the price constraint I would go back to the idea of using analog cameras connected to a physically small DVR with a 2.5" SATA hard drive for storage. DVR would have an Ethernet interface and can be plugged directly into your router, e.g http://www.d-teg.com/products/sub_m_mrx02.htm (example only and not my recommendation). Example appears to have the wrong image of back panel as it is actually a 4 channel so should have 4 x BNC inputs.

Note on cheap IP option: Cheap IP cameras can't simply be told to store via NFS or SAMBA, they need NVR software to capture their mjpeg or H.264 stream and do the recording. The NVR software needs to run on a PC.

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#548930 23-Nov-2011 14:53

Spyware: You can't use the Ethernet switch port as a power source. Your "converter" would need an external power source to power the cameras and provide a server based web interface via which you could view the cameras.

Are you talking about http://icamview.com/icv22.htm

Theres no point trying to get adapters that put power over the ethernet links without IP cameras to feed them, and siince you are doing this within a vehicle you will already have 12V power anyway. I suggest finding/building a small box that can run the USB cams driver software as well as doing the wireless and routing all together in one package. I doubt the routers firmware has that capability. You also don't want this to drain your main battery, so maybe an isolated power source too? It really sounds like a job for a UNIX engineer unless you can find an off-the-shelf system equivalent to the taxi cams.

Time to find a new industry!