Raspberry Pi 5 announced!

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#3137146 30-Sep-2023 19:44

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johno1234:

Are people going to use this for something new? For the things I've always considered a pi4 for, the performance has been more than enough - networking devices like pi-hole, home automation, IOT, serving and streaming etc. What opportunities does a faster but more expensive and power hungry device open?

I was kind of hoping for a slightly faster but smaller and more power efficient device for embedded use.

I was hoping to use this as a transcoding node, but it still to low powered. 4k h264 around 4-5 fps. havent seen hevc.

honestly this upgrade seems very weak IMO. like yay, new pi nice. but eh, was hoping for a much bigger leap over the pi4. esp if we have to wait 4 years or more for the pi6

If you are wanting to do transcoding a Pi just isn't the right device. It was never built for this type of use case.

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#3137274 1-Oct-2023 10:00

johno1234:

What opportunities does a faster but more expensive and power hungry device open?

Yes, the maximum power draw is higher, but for the same workload, it will draw less power than the previous generation.

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#3137277 1-Oct-2023 10:09

Handle9:

If you are wanting to do transcoding a Pi just isn't the right device. It was never built for this type of use case.

Exactly, there are plenty of x86 mini-PCs available if that's what you're looking for.

Every time a new rpi is released the comments section on various websites fills up with things like

"I wish it had a bit more grunt"

"if it could do X I would be interested" (X = some feature equivalent to a current gen desktop)

"not as good as $competitor"

People buy the rpi over the competitors because the drivers get upstreamed and maintained. Yes the hardware on the competitors is better, but if you have to manually compile the kernel with the HDMI driver (for example) module you downloaded from some forum then the population of interested people drops a hundredfold.

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#3137381 1-Oct-2023 14:52

Handle9:

If you are wanting to do transcoding a Pi just isn't the right device. It was never built for this type of use case.

Pi5 has the PCI-E port which will make it easy to hook it up to a good graphics card. While plug-and-play and drivers are currently an issue, it won't be long, possibly also making it good enough for some gaming. Give it some time, the hardware support is already there, looking at the specs the pi5 is really quiet a leep forward from the pi4.

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#3137391 1-Oct-2023 16:31

Wombat1:
Handle9:

If you are wanting to do transcoding a Pi just isn't the right device. It was never built for this type of use case.

Pi5 has the PCI-E port which will make it easy to hook it up to a good graphics card. While plug-and-play and drivers are currently an issue, it won't be long, possibly also making it good enough for some gaming. Give it some time, the hardware support is already there, looking at the specs the pi5 is really quiet a leep forward from the pi4.

It’s PCIe 2.0x1 that can run PCIe 3.0x1

The main use case is going to be for non-GPU workloads. If you are running an ultra low power SBC running a two or three slot GPU doesn’t make any sense.

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#3137513 1-Oct-2023 22:19

Handle9:
Wombat1:

Pi5 has the PCI-E port which will make it easy to hook it up to a good graphics card. While plug-and-play and drivers are currently an issue, it won't be long, possibly also making it good enough for some gaming. Give it some time, the hardware support is already there, looking at the specs the pi5 is really quiet a leep forward from the pi4.

It’s PCIe 2.0x1 that can run PCIe 3.0x1

The main use case is going to be for non-GPU workloads. If you are running an ultra low power SBC running a two or three slot GPU doesn’t make any sense.

What exactly are you expecting for $100? 😕

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#3137516 1-Oct-2023 22:30

An SBC that gets used for SBC stuff. I’m certainly not expecting to run games, do transcoding or use it as a desktop.

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#3143212 5-Oct-2023 16:40

A Raspberry Pi Compute Module 5 would be good to have next. 🤔

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#3151640 23-Oct-2023 23:39

Official release date: today

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#3151659 24-Oct-2023 08:23

Handle9: An SBC that gets used for SBC stuff. I’m certainly not expecting to run games, do transcoding or use it as a desktop.

Virtually everything I do these days is either web based or on a RDP desktop somewhere else. I think I could just about live with a pi desktop.

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#3151662 24-Oct-2023 08:32

Have a Pi5, case and power supply in the PB Tech shopping cart... p5 ships 30/10 but case and 27W wall wart ship 28/11!

Bit of a cock-up shipping pi5's without power supplies? Presumably I can run it on a USB-C laptop power supply in the meantime?

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#3151663 24-Oct-2023 08:55

Pi4 was painfully slow as a desktop, not usable unless you were extremely patient. I expect the Pi5 to be slow as well. If you want a desktop GUI you'd be better off with one of the many, many Intel or AMD solutions which aren't too expensive. Liliputing has examples. Something like a NUC or HP mini, though there are cheaper options online particularly the budget sites. $350 or so, maybe have to add a disk, but performance will be out of this world compared with a Pi.

For the Pi 5 I guess a USB standard power supply will probably be ok as a stopgap. A laptop power supply should be more than sufficient.

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#3151666 24-Oct-2023 09:13

timmmay:

Pi4 was painfully slow as a desktop, not usable unless you were extremely patient. I expect the Pi5 to be slow as well.

I have a pi4 8GB as a desktop setup, doing linux things it works great and is pretty responsive. Running a web browser though can be slow (Very Ram intensive) but that sort of thing I tend to do over RDP to my real grunty desktop in the garage. I hardly use the pi desktop anymore though and most things are just done through the terminal.

I'm not purchasing a pi5 yet until the 16GB version hits the shelves.

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#3151680 24-Oct-2023 10:03

johno1234:

Have a Pi5, case and power supply in the PB Tech shopping cart... p5 ships 30/10 but case and 27W wall wart ship 28/11!

Bit of a cock-up shipping pi5's without power supplies? Presumably I can run it on a USB-C laptop power supply in the meantime?

No supply I have found will do the 5v at 5a that the pi 5 wants.

Again, a mess with power on it. They have skimped on the regulators to make it take any USB C PD supply, which sucks because 30w ones of those at the higher voltages are available everywhere. Even Kmart has them.

Seems that its mostly happy on lower amp ones from the youtubes I have seen, not going past 10 watts unless you plug hungry things into it.

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#3151683 24-Oct-2023 10:17

richms:

johno1234:

Have a Pi5, case and power supply in the PB Tech shopping cart... p5 ships 30/10 but case and 27W wall wart ship 28/11!

Bit of a cock-up shipping pi5's without power supplies? Presumably I can run it on a USB-C laptop power supply in the meantime?

No supply I have found will do the 5v at 5a that the pi 5 wants.

Again, a mess with power on it. They have skimped on the regulators to make it take any USB C PD supply, which sucks because 30w ones of those at the higher voltages are available everywhere. Even Kmart has them.

Seems that its mostly happy on lower amp ones from the youtubes I have seen, not going past 10 watts unless you plug hungry things into it.

Pi5 is USB-C and I have a 90W laptop USB-C power supply that should do.

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