Can drones be jammed?

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#2004304 28-Apr-2018 21:40

I'm not sure that jamming a "drone" is a good idea anyway. Do you really want an out-of-control drone flying near you?

Of course, the word "drone" is wrong. These devices are not autonomous; they are under the control of a person somewhere nearby. If it really was a drone, you wouldn't be able to jam it.

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#2004316 28-Apr-2018 22:33

Jase2985:

colinuu:

I would shoot the drone down if it was over my (rural) property without my permission. The drone operator is breaking the law, so all bets are off...

but then so are you

Maybe, but then - why would the drone operator enjoy greater protection from the law than me? His offence comes before mine, and mine is only in response to his. It would be an interesting case if it went to court I think.

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#2004325 28-Apr-2018 23:25

colinuu:

Maybe, but then - why would the drone operator enjoy greater protection from the law than me? His offence comes before mine, and mine is only in response to his. It would be an interesting case if it went to court I think.

Ah bit like when you steal someones cannabis plants, whats he gonna do complain to the police

Oi, Officer that guy brought down my drone flying over his property. Right we will fine him, BTW here is your 10000$ fine to for flying your drone over his place as well. Cheers.

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#2004356 29-Apr-2018 07:43

Personally I think that you own the property ( the land ) but not the air above it, I do not think that purposely trying to scare cattle is right but are they? personal privacy is another issue so in my thinking you are stumped

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#2004387 29-Apr-2018 08:20

PeterQ:

Personally I think that you own the property ( the land ) but not the air above it, I do not think that purposely trying to scare cattle is right but are they? personal privacy is another issue so in my thinking you are stumped

If you own the land, and according to firearms regs you shoot safely, as you would if it was duck season, why not shoot it down? I come from a farm, we used to shoot dogs that were chasing sheep. That is legal. A drone chasing cattle isnt much different. No, the drone wont ill the cattle, but it could if they escaped or broke a leg escaping the drone.

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#2004390 29-Apr-2018 08:25

colinuu:
Jase2985:

colinuu:

I would shoot the drone down if it was over my (rural) property without my permission. The drone operator is breaking the law, so all bets are off...

but then so are you

Maybe, but then - why would the drone operator enjoy greater protection from the law than me? His offence comes before mine, and mine is only in response to his. It would be an interesting case if it went to court I think.

Just because someone is breaking the law doesn't allow you to do what ever you like. If some one illegally parks on your property do you have the right to safely burn the car up?

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#2004396 29-Apr-2018 08:43

blackjack17:
colinuu:

Jase2985:

colinuu:

I would shoot the drone down if it was over my (rural) property without my permission. The drone operator is breaking the law, so all bets are off...

but then so are you

Maybe, but then - why would the drone operator enjoy greater protection from the law than me? His offence comes before mine, and mine is only in response to his. It would be an interesting case if it went to court I think.

Just because someone is breaking the law doesn't allow you to do what ever you like. If some one illegally parks on your property do you have the right to safely burn the car up?

Bad analogy. A parked car isnt harassing anything or potentially able to cause injury or costs to the landowner.

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#2004405 29-Apr-2018 09:38

blackjack17:
Just because someone is breaking the law doesn't allow you to do what ever you like. If some one illegally parks on your property do you have the right to safely burn the car up?

I think it is about stopping the unwanted behaviour. I don't have to burn the car to get it removed...

If a person comes on to my property uninvited I can challenge him and depending on the reply either invite him in or ask him to leave. How do I ask a drone to leave if the operator cannot be found?

Apart from the other issues already mentioned (invasion of privacy, stock worrying, general harrassment), burglary is a major problem for rural people. There is too much scope for drone operators to scout a property remotely whilst planning a burglary. Sorry, the drone must go!

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#2004578 29-Apr-2018 15:20

colinuu:

Maybe, but then - why would the drone operator enjoy greater protection from the law than me? His offence comes before mine, and mine is only in response to his. It would be an interesting case if it went to court I think.

It's not about greater or less protection; it's about fairness (as defined in law).

You're allowed to use reasonable force to remove a person from your property; "reasonable" depends on circumstances. I expect (but IANAL) that the same principle applies to UAVs; you can use reasonable force to stop them flying over your property without your permission. I doubt that a court would consider destruction of another person's property as reasonable, unless there were extenuating circumstances.

If I drive my car on your property, you can't just destroy it.

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#2004685 29-Apr-2018 19:38

Quite entertaining talk about a nuisance drone from Defcon 2015.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CzURm7OpAA

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#2004729 29-Apr-2018 21:01

As quads can fly up to about 120 meters in height, I would suspect that many people wouldn't know if one was flying over their property or not. The other thing is that at that height, it is very difficult to know exactly whose property it is actually over depending on where you are viewing it from.

If you park on someone else property without their permission, I don't believe you can just claim the car as you own, or destory it, as it is owned by someone else.

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#2004734 29-Apr-2018 21:08

mattwnz:

As quads can fly up to about 120 meters in height, I would suspect that many people wouldn't know if one was flying over their property or not. The other thing is that at that height, it is very difficult to know exactly whose property it is actually over depending on where you are viewing it from.

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Also if your shooting into the air at a target that is potentially 100m away, how are you to know where the bullet will land?

I am very much not an expert on guns, but this sounds like trying to shoot a clay target only further away.

What is a reasonably good accuracy that most gun owners would have? 20m 50m 100m?

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#2004743 29-Apr-2018 21:40

I doubt that the drones referred to by the OP would have been flying at 120m.

Get real people, we're discussing nuisance flying here, that implies low altitude I think.

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#2004758 29-Apr-2018 22:01

There are some commercial jammers such as Ardronis that jam and locate the launch location at the same time. Saw a video on it somewhere.

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#2004768 29-Apr-2018 22:20

Rikkitic:

An item in our local paper about horse riders and farmers being harassed by rogue drones. It seems to be a bigger problem than many realise. The farmers want to know if they can legally shoot down the drones. This makes me wonder if drones can be jammed or misdirected. I don't know much about modern RC. Is it digital and protected in some way or can it be interfered with?

If you are jamming drones you are probably also jamming all sorts of other radio signals that could be essential. The short answer is NO. Jamming is more illegal that flying drones.

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