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#255617 21-Aug-2019 10:30
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I'm currently dabbling with hassio and zigbee2mqtt. Actually surprised at how easy it was to initially get set up using the recommended CC2531 set up.

 

As per a few others here, I've started with one of the Xiaomi Aqara temperature and humidity sensors, which is working well so more are on the way. I plan to install the additional ones about the house so will need to improve the range of my network by adding a router between the coordinator and the end devices. I had the idea that pretty much any hardwired Zigbee device would act as a router (?), so popped in to Bunnings for a cheap Sengled bulb that is on the zigbee2mqtt supported device list. Some of the other devices on that list say "doesn't work as router" but this doesn't say anything about that.

 

The bulb paired fine and is controllable from the hassio dashboard, however it is showing in the zigbee2mqtt logs as an EndDevice rather than a Router.

 

Either I've done something wrong (very open to that idea!) or this bulb doesn't act as a router and I'll need something else. Wondering what others use? Anything available off the shelf that goes, or am I better off DIY-ing a CC2530 router?


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  #2302846 21-Aug-2019 11:17
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Watching this space as I'm about to make a router using CC2530.


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  #2303002 21-Aug-2019 13:17
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Watching this too.

 

I found a guy who can make you a CC2531 with external antenna to improve range. Wanted 30EUR + 15EUR shipping for it. I found instructions about how to do that so I now have parts on the way (PMA female socket + PMA Antenna). Cost about NZ$6... Hopefully that increases the range of this enough enough that I don't need separate routers.

 

For routers, the guys also sells a CC2530 modded to be directly pluggable to a USB port (there is likely instructions for that too but would require soldering, I guess...)

 

 

 

If that helps: 

 

https://hackaday.io/project/163505-cc2531-usb-adapter-antenna-mod/#j-discussions-title

 

https://hassiohelp.eu/2019/03/02/zigbee-cc2531-antenna/

 

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  #2303009 21-Aug-2019 13:37
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mdf:

 

I'm currently dabbling with hassio and zigbee2mqtt. Actually surprised at how easy it was to initially get set up using the recommended CC2531 set up.

 

As per a few others here, I've started with one of the Xiaomi Aqara temperature and humidity sensors, which is working well so more are on the way. I plan to install the additional ones about the house so will need to improve the range of my network by adding a router between the coordinator and the end devices. I had the idea that pretty much any hardwired Zigbee device would act as a router (?), so popped in to Bunnings for a cheap Sengled bulb that is on the zigbee2mqtt supported device list. Some of the other devices on that list say "doesn't work as router" but this doesn't say anything about that.

 

The bulb paired fine and is controllable from the hassio dashboard, however it is showing in the zigbee2mqtt logs as an EndDevice rather than a Router.

 

Either I've done something wrong (very open to that idea!) or this bulb doesn't act as a router and I'll need something else. Wondering what others use? Anything available off the shelf that goes, or am I better off DIY-ing a CC2530 router?

 

 

You found a B22 bulb? Nice. My Bunnings only had Edison which caused be to pause buying all the bitsto have a play.




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  #2303026 21-Aug-2019 13:59
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huckster:

 

You found a B22 bulb? Nice. My Bunnings only had Edison which caused be to pause buying all the bitsto have a play.

 

 

Lyall Bay in Wellington seems to have a few of them on the shelf - though somewhat hard to find, hidden among the normal bulbs. Can confirm it definitely works with the zigbee2mqtt hub, you don't need the Sengled hub, but it does need to be the Element range in the light green box.


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  #2303027 21-Aug-2019 14:08
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gcorgnet:

 

Watching this too.

 

I found a guy who can make you a CC2531 with external antenna to improve range. Wanted 30EUR + 15EUR shipping for it. I found instructions about how to do that so I now have parts on the way (PMA female socket + PMA Antenna). Cost about NZ$6... Hopefully that increases the range of this enough enough that I don't need separate routers.

 

For routers, the guys also sells a CC2530 modded to be directly pluggable to a USB port (there is likely instructions for that too but would require soldering, I guess...)

 

If that helps: 

 

https://hackaday.io/project/163505-cc2531-usb-adapter-antenna-mod/#j-discussions-title

 

https://hassiohelp.eu/2019/03/02/zigbee-cc2531-antenna/

 

Cheers

 

 

I was looking at the CC2530 self build instructions and am not particularly keen to be using anything with mains voltage and was thinking about adapting something along those lines to run on USB too. But if I'm reading this page right, the GBAN option looks like a USB board with integrated aerial and nice casing out of the box. I think this one is the right option, and was planning to use a USB wall plug with the plugs at 90 degrees to the pins so it tucks out of the way. I haven't taken the plunge yet since I was hoping a bulb or something else I was going to buy anyway would do the job.


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  #2303042 21-Aug-2019 14:35
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mdf:

 

huckster:

 

You found a B22 bulb? Nice. My Bunnings only had Edison which caused be to pause buying all the bitsto have a play.

 

 

Lyall Bay in Wellington seems to have a few of them on the shelf - though somewhat hard to find, hidden among the normal bulbs. Can confirm it definitely works with the zigbee2mqtt hub, you don't need the Sengled hub, but it does need to be the Element range in the light green box.

 

 

Yes, I hunted around my local Bunnings as they were spread all over the place. 

 

Quick question on these bulbs - what happens to them when you cycle power? I have a couple of Belkin Wemo bulbs which are great except they come on full brightness when power is restored. That did not go down well one night after a power cut.

 

I feel an AliXpress purchase coming on....


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  #2303045 21-Aug-2019 14:39
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huckster:

 

Yes, I hunted around my local Bunnings as they were spread all over the place. 

 

Quick question on these bulbs - what happens to them when you cycle power? I have a couple of Belkin Wemo bulbs which are great except they come on full brightness when power is restored. That did not go down well one night after a power cut.

 

I feel an AliXpress purchase coming on....

 

 

I hadn't actually tried until you asked. Have just had a play now and they seem to remember the state they were last on. I only flicked it off for thirty seconds or so though in testing.




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  #2305430 24-Aug-2019 17:47
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@Nzengsaif I've just been looking at your Wulian Zigbee products. They look really cool and wondered if you would be able to chime in with:

 

- Do Wulian wired products (e.g. bulbs, light switches and smart sockets) act as a Zigbee router/repeater, or just the dedicated repeater?

 

- Does the hard-wired Wulian stuff you stock meet whatever NZ electrical standard applies? I've seen "Supplier Declaration of Conformity" mentioned I think?

 

Super extra bonus points if you had any pointers about whether the Wulian stuff works with zigbee2mqtt - I appreciate that isn't the official controller.


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  #2306547 27-Aug-2019 06:54
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Hi,

Yes the hard wired products act as a repeater and it is very effective. All the products we sell is certified, if it is not we don't hold it in stock. As for the communication it's all locked and encoded to Wulian own network, you won't be able to get it to talk to other devices outside it's network. Cheers

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  #2306672 27-Aug-2019 11:25
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Nzengsaif: Hi,

Yes the hard wired products act as a repeater and it is very effective. All the products we sell is certified, if it is not we don't hold it in stock. As for the communication it's all locked and encoded to Wulian own network, you won't be able to get it to talk to other devices outside it's network. Cheers

 

Thanks for that. I doubt I'm going to get any kind of positive outcome with two zigbee networks running in parallel, otherwise these would have been perfect for me. I like the look of them too.


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  #2306705 27-Aug-2019 12:39
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For what's it's worth, I am effectively running 2x Zigbee networks in parrallel:

 

- Phillips Hue

 

- Zigbee2mqtt (Aqara Temp and Door Sensors)

 

Granted, the lightbulbs can;t do anything to assist the battery powered sensors but as long as they are on different channels, there are no interferences either.


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  #2307067 27-Aug-2019 22:12
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No problem, you welcome to visit our showroom in East Tamaki and have a look. You just need to let us know when. We can also do Saturdays

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  #2307205 28-Aug-2019 11:25
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I am using Phillips Hue bulbs with zigbee2mqtt and they work well as routers. I also have the Hue hub as I have some bulbs that I haven't migrated yet and haven't found that they interfere with each other. I did need to tweak my 2.4 Ghz wifi settings. It was set to auto for the channel and I found periodically it would kill my zigbee network. I am assuming it was jumping to the same frequency. I now have it set to use a particular frequency and so far the problem hasn't returned.

 

 

 

People complain about the cost of Hue bulbs, but the basic white bulbs are as cheap as anything else I have found in NZ. With zigbee2mqtt you don't need to invest in a hub either. I am also using some Hue dimmer switches and a motion detector with zigbee2mqtt as well.


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  #2307332 28-Aug-2019 14:41
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Interesting experience. I have shied away from trying to run my Hue bulbs on Zigbee2mqtt as I didn't want to lose the convenience of the Hue app and how easy it is to set up the lights with switches, etc... Also not keen on having to rely on the mqtt network to be functional for something as critical as lights.

 

I might move a few non mission critical lights away from Hue and into Zigbee2mqtt. Any gotchas?


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  #2307393 28-Aug-2019 16:19
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I haven't had any issue mixing zigbee2mqtt and the Hue hub. They both work independent of each other and I don't think they broadcast enough data to interfere with each other.

 

I would start with migrating a few bulbs around the house just to get your zigbee2mqtt network up and running. If you are running Home Assistant I would recommend installing zigbee2mqtt_networkmap. It will show the structure of your zigbee network and shows what devices are working as routers.

 

The one thing I notice is that the Hue hub is much better at syncing the powering on of multiple bulbs. With zigbee2mqtt they tend to turn on one at a time. Not a big deal and maybe there is something I can tweak but I haven't had a chance to look into it much yet. I still have the living room lights on the Hue hub as I have multiple scenes configured there. I could recreate these in Home Assistant but that will take some time and it's working well as it is so I haven't bothered yet.


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